More human generations?

[daggerfang]

Early on, Jason was told he was the only human generation (Subjugation, chapter 20: "You’re the only human descendent of the Karinne nobles, you’re the only human Generation.")

Then later on, one of the humans captured by the Trillanes was found to be a generation as well. Which I was fine with since I was never comfortable with the idea of Jason being the only one. Not when there were over 200 generations in the Faey Imperium. After all, the Faey were on the British Isles long enough ago that they were myth/legend and not historical figures, and people from the British Isles basically scattered all over the world.

Which brings me to wonder: statistically speaking, shouldn't there be more than two? It's been long enough since the Karinne Faey were on Earth that there should be more. Did Fel ever say anywhere the statistical probability of "ordinary" human telepaths? I know he said they all originated from the British Isles somewhere in their ancestry and that at one point they were finding a new telepath everyday, but don't remember him ever actually referring to a probability. And of that probability, a certain percentage should at least be descended from the same noble that Jason is descended from, right? Like if that ship had 10 Faey and one was a noble (keeping the math simple), then - assuming a standard statistical number of offspring - shouldn't 1/10 (plus/minus) of the telepaths be descended from that noble and therefore a generation? Or is it a combination of statistics that dictates the number be low? Ie, they have to have the genes in the right combination plus a couple of other factors? Given the stated numbers, I figure it has to be that. But I still have to wonder - we're kind of accepting that Kimdori are "all-knowing" but can the Kimdori really know about everyone that is a generation?

I can't help but feel that Fel is holding something back in this regard that will turn up later just at the right time.

[expedient]

If Jason's family history holds true the human generations are more susceptible to cancer than the other human-faey telepaths. We haven't been told if this is a problem for the faey generations also but then faey medical science can cure [most?] cancers. If so it might indicate an instability that the old Karinnes were trying to solve.

I'm sure Fel has some devious reason for limiting the number of human 97th Generations, whether that has something to do with a desirable property, such as the physical advantages over average faey men, a "special" human genetic property, or plot simplicity we'll have to wait and see.

I'm curious as what will happen if the new Karinne Phoenix Generations find old Karinne Generations. Will there be a conflict over a racially impure male claiming the Grand Duchy?

[SYED]

Nobles were likly hunted more, so no one could take control of house karrine. THose is direct line of inheritance espeacially.

jason rebuilt the house and made it a power in its own right, any detractors will first try to become integral to the house power system.

[dellstart]

If Jason's family history holds true the human generations are more susceptible to cancer than the other human-faey telepaths. We haven't been told if this is a problem for the faey generations also but then faey medical science can cure [most?] cancers. If so it might indicate an instability that the old Karinnes were trying to solve.

I'm sure Fel has some devious reason for limiting the number of human 97th Generations, whether that has something to do with a desirable property, such as the physical advantages over average faey men, a "special" human genetic property, or plot simplicity we'll have to wait and see.

I'm curious as what will happen if the new Karinne Phoenix Generations find old Karinne Generations. Will there be a conflict over a racially impure male claiming the Grand Duchy?

I am not a geneticist , but perhaps the ability skips generations or something like that.perhaps i am barking up the wrong tree. Its a really good question though.

[DigitalMaestro]

I can't help but feel that Fel is holding something back in this regard that will turn up later just at the right time.

I look forward to the grand reveal!
-DM

[daggerfang]

I'm curious as what will happen if the new Karinne Phoenix Generations find old Karinne Generations. Will there be a conflict over a racially impure male claiming the Grand Duchy?

I don't think this can happen - now that Jason is Grand Duke Karinne, and has been accepted by Cybi, etc., it's set. From what I remember reading, the only other person the Kimdori seriously considered using was Myleene.

Now, that doesn't mean someone won't try, but I don't think anything can come of it.

[Wolfee]

I would like Fel to add a report by Jason's secretary of the interior so to speak about how many human/faey children have been born on earth since the return of house Karinne, to one of the first couple chapters in the next book of the Karinne's.

[Fel]

Put down hard numbers that you guys can fact check if I forget them and put different numbers down later?

NEVAH!

[Wolfee]

Put down hard numbers that you guys can fact check if I forget them and put different numbers down later?

NEVAH!

What! I don't believe it! What kinda low lifes do you think we are? I would never come back and question inconsistencies!

Oh... wait I have done that! LOL ... but seriously Fel some kinda discussion on this would be of interest. Take out the crystal ball and look into the future.... is humanity basically going to merge/disappear into the faey?

[Fel]

Of course not, there's too much racial superiority on both sides for one race to "absorb" the other.

But, there will be a very large number of half-Faey on Earth. ALL of them will have talent; the telepathic gene is dominant and breeds true, and there are enough Faey on Earth to "trigger" talent in these halfbreeds through exposure. Most of them will look like Jason's children as well, with the skin color of their human parent, but with the ears, eye shape, and thick, fine hair that can be about any color from their Faey parent. And they'll all turn blue if they go to Draconis.

I'd suspect that over time (as in a few thousand years), enough people will have Faey ancestors to make humanity a majority telepathic race. The current human telepaths show that even though their talent became dormant over successive generations of human only parents and no exposure to active talent to incite expression, the telepathic gene will always be there.

[Hearly]

Of course not, there's too much racial superiority on both sides for one race to "absorb" the other.

But, there will be a very large number of half-Faey on Earth. ALL of them will have talent; the telepathic gene is dominant and breeds true, and there are enough Faey on Earth to "trigger" talent in these halfbreeds through exposure. Most of them will look like Jason's children as well, with the skin color of their human parent, but with the ears, eye shape, and thick, fine hair that can be about any color from their Faey parent. And they'll all turn blue if they go to Draconis.

I'd suspect that over time (as in a few thousand years), enough people will have Faey ancestors to make humanity a majority telepathic race. The current human telepaths show that even though their talent became dormant over successive generations of human only parents and no exposure to active talent to incite expression, the telepathic gene will always be there.

Hey Fel, just a Dumb thought, will the Faey ever find out they are originally from Earth?

[daggerfang]

But, there will be a very large number of half-Faey on Earth. ALL of them will have talent; the telepathic gene is dominant and breeds true, and there are enough Faey on Earth to "trigger" talent in these halfbreeds through exposure. Most of them will look like Jason's children as well, with the skin color of their human parent, but with the ears, eye shape, and thick, fine hair that can be about any color from their Faey parent. And they'll all turn blue if they go to Draconis.

That bolded part right there - that's exactly why I have a hard time believing there's only 2 human Generations. And also why I wasn't surprised that they were finding an average of one telepath a day.

As a writer myself, I can understand you don't want to put down hard numbers, but it just makes me stratch my head that you'd have tons of one and very little of the other.

Of course, I do have to remember that the last time you actually gave any numbers for the telepaths was way back in Subjugation. So I'm just waiting to see what plot device pops up along the way related to all this.

[Fel]

Hate to break it to you, but there ARE only 2 human generations.

Yes, Jason's extended family tree was quite large...so long as the average life expectancy was around 35-40 years. But as the lifespan increased and genetic mixing with full humans with a genetic predisposition to cancer also increased, the Generational vulnerability to cancer began to establish itself, killing off the lines. The Generational lines were also rampant with an extremely high childhood mortality rate, due to childhood cancers...mainly leukemia and lymphoma. The Generations were the only real cases of childhood cancers that the doctors in the 18th and 19th centuries had ever seen, if they could even diagnose it as cancer before the child died. So, the Generations had fewer people to live to reproduce, and that resulted in an overall smaller ancestry tree than other families.

See, Rahne and Jason (who are actually distant cousins), and their ancestors, and back, they're from a part of the family more resistant to cancer than the others in the line. Most Generations in Jason's ancestry were dead by 35, either by injury, war, other diseases, or cancer. Only one out of five children would survive long enough to reproduce, because cancer would kill the ones that other illnesses didn't. Jason's father himself was the only survivor of four children, his brothers and sisters all dead by the age of 15, and all from cancer. Jason's grandfather died of cancer, his great-grandfather died of cancer, and both died before the age of 40. Jason's father had sworn to himself he wouldn't have any children, but that was before he met Jason's mother...and well, nature took its course.

This rather sinister genetic flaw kept the Generational trees much smaller than other families. Yes, there were brances of branches of branches, but eventually cancer destroyed all but two; Jason and Rahne, but they're virtually from the same branch of the Generational ancestry tree, they shared a great-great grandfather, one of two surviving brothers. One went to America and became Jason's ancestor, the other stayed in Scotland and became Rahne's ancestor. Rahne had two older brothers of which she'll never know about, but one died of leukimia at 6 and the other died in a car crash when he was 17. Her mother, the Generation, died of breast cancer when she was 23, just after having Rahne. Rahne herself was in the first stages of non-Hodgkins Lymphona when she was taken by the Trillanes, but they cured her of it when they found out she was a telepath.

[ANTIcarrot]

Hey Fel, just a Dumb thought, will the Faey ever find out they are originally from Earth?

Almost certainly the humans have already told them by now. Genetics is hard, but not that hard. We would be able to tell them, when, where, and possibly something about the race that might have done it. (Glares at Kimdori.)

The real question is when they'll choose to believe us.

[Hearly]

Hey Fel, just a Dumb thought, will the Faey ever find out they are originally from Earth?

Almost certainly the humans have already told them by now. Genetics is hard, but not that hard. We would be able to tell them, when, where, and possibly something about the race that might have done it. (Glares at Kimdori.)

The real question is when they'll choose to believe them

How would the Humans know and not the Faey, I don't think Fel has every wrote anything in the stories implying that they even think it... The only reason we know it is because Fel told us so.