After a long vacation, Tarrin is back.

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flail93 wrote:sorry to go back in the questions, but if tarrin got his powers from the fire staff, he's already a god in his own right and wouln't need to have "believers" right?
Yes, Tarrin des not need believers like Lesser Gods need them. It is possible however that having followers would increase his divine power. Although someone said that it is not the matter of available power, rather than the matter of "bandwidth", the rate this power can be used.
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Even the Elder Gods gain a slight increase from having followers.  Niami said so sometime during Book 3 or 4, IIRC.  Like Shadowhawk said, they don't require followers, but it allows them to express more power on the physcial plane.

Hmm, would a god have different amounts of power depending on the dimension he is in?  If say he converted some people in Pyrosia to him, would he only be able to access the power gained from their worship while there?
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Not necessarily. I don't remember the chapter, but I believe the series (and Axe, too, if I recall correctly) talks about one of those Dwarven gods who was still around, even though all his former worshipers died on Sennadar. (Unless I'm mistaking that with the one kept alive by the worship of that obscure goblin tribe).
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Correct.  But it does raise the question.  Spyder, with all the powers of the Elder Gods, was able to bind Val to become a Younger God, dependant on his followers.  Could they do that  to Tarrin?
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Cool thought there Lochar! Maybe Tarrin could "volunteer" to be the new defender of the Pyros "little folk". He's already saved two groups of orcs, established some followers and possibly a priesthood of his own. Why else would Miranda be examining Mist and "smiling"? There are so many moving parts here, that Fel literally could go any direction. Hopefully Tarrin will continue growing in mental maturity, and accept / acknowledge his abilities. I wouldn't count Niami out yet either, she is an Elder God, and has a lot of followers herself. Of the 40 some members of the panteon, she probably can gather some support for a semi-permanent "enforcer" relationship with Tarrin. Use Spyder and Jasana for normal, and Tarrin when they need to bring in the big guns. I'm still amazed that they brought Tsukatta over. Is this some sort of tacit support from the other elder gods? Wheels within wheels. Fel is really cranking on this story now!
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You mentioning maturing mentally reminded me; How old is Tarrin now anyway? 25?

Also, you might want to think about the Firestaff. It's semi- (or maybe fully) sentinent, and it dosen't much care for what the Gods plans/oppinions and such. Tarrin has been called 'child of the Firestaff' several times. Would the Firestaff really allow him to just go off or not come back? Maybe, maybe not. No one knows much of anything about it, after all. How would one know?
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Last age I remember, was 26. Tarrin is very much into discounting his values to others. I don't think it's modesty or humility either, he just doesn't think he means much to anyone.
The bit about the Firestaff is strange. Obviously it did not stay in the elsewhere when he transferred through the gate. As mentioned, hopefully the Goddess has taken care of that "possession". I agree that the Firestaff (sentient I think) will not tolerate the expulsion of Tarrin from Sennadar for long. Lots of the reasoning that Fel has so carefully exposed, is coming to a head. I wish he would be a bit more forthcoming with the actual attitudes of the Elder gods. We've heard from the five directly, but only through the filters of "most paranoid" for the others. Where is Fel going to take us next?
A big battle is looming with the forces of the One and that should be pretty exciting. The dura are probably going to be very surprised with Tarrin. Do you think that Tarrins' extended werecat family will migrate to Pyros? Will the Elders allow the gate to become bi-directional again? Is Tarrin going to be able to reawaken the All? Is there going to be a conflict with the Elara? So many questions.
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To reawaken the All of Pyrosia, he's either going to have to direct it himself for everything, which I don't think he can do, since the All is the manifestation of the will of the creator God, or he's gonna have to get said Creator God interested in his world again.
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Since the Elder Gods seem to be totally focused on maintaining "balance", Tarrin needs to find some way to convince the Elder god(s?) that the One is going to disturb the balance. Seems to me that shouldn't be too hard. He's trying to chase out all other gods and is already affecting the gates and systems in place in Pyros and Elara. Tarrin should be able to enrage the One enough to cause him to throw a rock through the Elder gods "picture window".
On an unrelated note, does the appearance of Cammara and hubby seem ring a little wrong? A priestess of Neme that is unable to connect to her diety and another sorcerer. At least Var and Denai are Selani and can fight. New Mom's and Dad's just don't seem right here. Makes for an interesting future fight though. The tension with Lorak is building way beyond the typical general / meglomaniac. Something more is on Fels' mind here. He's building us up towards a pretty big confrontation. By the way, where's Kangs two hellhounds?
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Camara and Korin Tal are Amazons before magic users.  They can fight.
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Ah yes, I know they can fight! But compared to a Knight, Selani, or Vendari? Just seemed strange to me, especially Koran, a mind weave specalist. I know that they are friends of Tarrins, and can help support the comfort zone of our werrecat. Just seems to me that Fel is up to something special here.
With Anayi in Pyros, there seems to be another potential communication path, Shika. This very diverse party is bound to cause the "resistance" to adapt to a more tolerant approach. If they were going nuts over Miranda, what are they going to do with the others?
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Yeah, working with a demon, and what will probably look like a bunch more demons?  Sounds like the Shadows are gonna have a serious attitude adjustment made for them soon.  Specially once Binter and Siska start playing, I mean teaching, the Shadows "best trained" warriors.
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avitchel wrote:Will the Elders allow the gate to become bi-directional again? Is Tarrin going to be able to reawaken the All?
Can the All be reawakened?
I just want to know why the Elder Gods would want to make the gate to become bi-directional ??? ? It's obvious they don't want demons on Sennadar so why open a gate to make it easier for them get in especially from a place rampant with demons. I realise that the demons may not be rampant for much longer but will the Pyros gods do the same as the Sennadar ones and do everything possible to block the demons? And what's to say once Tarrin finishes off the One the Pyrosian Gods won't kick him out because he is just as much a saviour as a threat. Plus the fact Tarrin may be there would deter the Sennadar Gods even more, a free portal for a threat to come and get them. And I don't think Tarrin's going to leave his family where the Gods can get them but if you think about Jasana's needed on Sennadar as a back up weave spinner so would Niami let her leave? I suppose she would because of her devotion to Tarrin but... Darn, I guess I'm answering my questions with more questions so I'll leave it here since I'm getting no where. I'll just have to wait for the master to answer these as well as the one question everyone wants answered "What's going to happen?"
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