More human generations?

[ANTIcarrot]

Was the Parent race native to earth?........or were they also a transplanted race ?

If I'm reading this right (and this is not my area of expertise) the 'parent race' will be Homo Erectus (give or take a few evolutionary generations) which seems to be the ancestor for both Homo Sapiens Sapiens, Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis, and Homo Cyanistes caeruleus.

Though their history in australia will have some intersting side effect:
*The Faey's arrival in Australia would have herralded the australian megafauna mass extinction event, but much earlier.
*The megafauna that survived this event would have developed adaptations to both humanoid hunting styles AND faey telepathy.
*Said surviving megafauna aclimatisation to humanoid woudl have been in a better position to survive the 40,000BC and 1800AD waves of human imagrants.
*The arrival and sudden dissapearance of a member of the homo family would be a known event/mystery to the archiology community, much like the neanderthals of Europe.

Post Faey Australia might in fact be a much wilder place than it is today; if the Blue ME 'immunised' the wildlife against the Black and White MEs.
Or post Faey Australia might in fact be a much sparser place than it is today; if the Blue ME crippled the wildlife's ability to withstand the Black and White MEs.

[Phantom]

Was the Parent race native to earth?........or were they also a transplanted race ?

If I'm reading this right (and this is not my area of expertise) the 'parent race' will be Homo Erectus (give or take a few evolutionary generations) which seems to be the ancestor for both Homo Sapiens Sapiens, Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis, and Homo Cyanistes caeruleus.

Though their history in australia will have some intersting side effect:
*The Faey's arrival in Australia would have herralded the australian megafauna mass extinction event, but much earlier.
*The megafauna that survived this event would have developed adaptations to both humanoid hunting styles AND faey telepathy.
*Said surviving megafauna aclimatisation to humanoid woudl have been in a better position to survive the 40,000BC and 1800AD waves of human imagrants.
*The arrival and sudden dissapearance of a member of the homo family would be a known event/mystery to the archiology community, much like the neanderthals of Europe.

Post Faey Australia might in fact be a much wilder place than it is today; if the Blue ME 'immunised' the wildlife against the Black and White MEs.
Or post Faey Australia might in fact be a much sparser place than it is today; if the Blue ME crippled the wildlife's ability to withstand the Black and White MEs.

You need to reread fels post closer

I said it here, and a while ago.

The Faey were transplanted off of Earth by a far superior spacefaring species and put on Draconis to save them from extinction at the hands of an emerging humanity.

This happened around 40,000 BC, as the Faey began to clash with the Aborginies that were migrating to Australia.

So, you under-the-worlders, know that the Faey were the ORIGINAL Aussies.

The Faey don't know this. They consider their ability to have children by humans to be the prime example of Gora's Law, and not the fact that the two species are actually descended from a parent race.

He said the Faey were transplanted off of Earth and put on Draconis they didn't Originate on Draconis but were moved from Earth .....this took place long
before Jasons ancessors ever rediscovered and landed here.

The Faey and humans are related ......and i'd bet they didn't have Blue skin at the time either
that came later after years of exposure to Draconis's Sun.

The Faey don't know (yet?) that Earth might be their true home planet........I wonder if the Kindori know

So my question goes back to who was this "parent race " and did they evolve on earth or were they them selfs a Tranplaneted Race from somewhere else.

So who were these advanced spacefaring species??............. does Zaa know ?

The Kimdori do seem to guide and manupilate the Humans and Faey a lot behind the scenes so to speak ....kinda like Parents.
or Maybe more PC...... Watchdogs!

Interesting questions
how my brain is hurting again... more thoughts later if i can remember them.


Phantom

[ANTIcarrot]

You need to reread fels post closer

Frying pan, meet kettle. The Faey have 'arrived' on earth three times (the first time via evolution presumably) and I am not getting them mixed up.

For the Faey to have been transported out of Australia they had to already be in Australia and thus at some point in time before that arrive in Australia.

Earth makes no sense as a holding ground for an endangered sapient species, seeing that it already had between one and three livnig there, depending on how you count them. Australia makes even less sense. As a continent it is posssibly the second most inhospitable place on Earth. North America would have made vastly more sense, and at the time would have been equally devoid of human population. For the Faey to be related to (and repoductively compatible with) humans, they have to share a common ancestor, which would not be possible if they were transplanted from elsewhere. A 'parent' species if you will. The most likely candidate species we know of is H Erectus.

I do not recall a positive display of Kimdori guidence/interferance that did not involve Jason. They *might* have been involved with this, but I doubt than many Kimdori alive today even remember the name of the government that ran their world back then. This may be one secret that even they don't know. But they will know it happened, because the viral fingerprints of a billion years spent evolving on Earth will be stamped all over the Faey genome.

[Fel]

Was the Parent race native to earth?........or were they also a transplanted race ?

If I'm reading this right (and this is not my area of expertise) the 'parent race' will be Homo Erectus (give or take a few evolutionary generations) which seems to be the ancestor for both Homo Sapiens Sapiens, Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis, and Homo Cyanistes caeruleus.

Though their history in australia will have some intersting side effect:
*The Faey's arrival in Australia would have herralded the australian megafauna mass extinction event, but much earlier.
*The megafauna that survived this event would have developed adaptations to both humanoid hunting styles AND faey telepathy.
*Said surviving megafauna aclimatisation to humanoid woudl have been in a better position to survive the 40,000BC and 1800AD waves of human imagrants.
*The arrival and sudden dissapearance of a member of the homo family would be a known event/mystery to the archiology community, much like the neanderthals of Europe.

Post Faey Australia might in fact be a much wilder place than it is today; if the Blue ME 'immunised' the wildlife against the Black and White MEs.
Or post Faey Australia might in fact be a much sparser place than it is today; if the Blue ME crippled the wildlife's ability to withstand the Black and White MEs.

That's basically correct. The Faey and Humanity are branches of the parent Homo Erectus, with JUST ENOUGH genetic diversity to classify them as different sub-species of the same race, kinda like how Bengal tigers and Siberian tigers are both tigers, but there are definite genetic differences between them.

As to the Faey impact on Australia, eh, I never really sat down and planned that out. I just decided where and when they lived on Earth, and left it at that.

Though, I will say that I don't think they'd have had too much of an effect on the Australian megafauna, because the primitive Faey were coastal dwellers, surviving primarily by fishing and hunting/gathering along the coastal plain. That's how they spread to Tasmania and New Zealand, they developed astronomy, navigation, and decent boat technology rather quickly. All of those supported their subsistence on fishing.

Oh, and yes, the Faey didn't turn blue until they were placed on Draconis.

[Phantom]

You need to reread fels post closer

Frying pan, meet kettle. The Faey have 'arrived' on earth three times (the first time via evolution presumably) and I am not getting them mixed up.

For the Faey to have been transported out of Australia they had to already be in Australia and thus at some point in time before that arrive in Australia.

Earth makes no sense as a holding ground for an endangered sapient species, seeing that it already had between one and three livnig there, depending on how you count them. Australia makes even less sense. As a continent it is posssibly the second most inhospitable place on Earth. North America would have made vastly more sense, and at the time would have been equally devoid of human population. For the Faey to be related to (and repoductively compatible with) humans, they have to share a common ancestor, which would not be possible if they were transplanted from elsewhere. A 'parent' species if you will. The most likely candidate species we know of is H Erectus.

I do not recall a positive display of Kimdori guidence/interferance that did not involve Jason. They *might* have been involved with this, but I doubt than many Kimdori alive today even remember the name of the government that ran their world back then. This may be one secret that even they don't know. But they will know it happened, because the viral fingerprints of a billion years spent evolving on Earth will be stamped all over the Faey genome.

DUH my bad...... i was thinking you thought Jasons ancestor's setteled in Australia.....not the first group

I was thinking Faey and humans were basicly one group ariving on earth and split from there into two groups

As for the Kimdori.... they've worked in the shadows for lots of years ....and influnced any they agreed to work for and who paid them.
neet way to do it actualy ....make them think they need your help, charge them, be selective who you work for, and pass on only the info
they need and you want them to have.



Phantom

[expedient]

If I'm reading this right (and this is not my area of expertise) the 'parent race' will be Homo Erectus (give or take a few evolutionary generations) which seems to be the ancestor for both Homo Sapiens Sapiens, Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis, and Homo Cyanistes caeruleus.

-SNIP-
*The arrival and sudden dissapearance of a member of the homo family would be a known event/mystery to the archiology community, much like the neanderthals of Europe.

Another great bit of analysis. I have a couple of minor points about the fossil record. We don't know how different/close the original faey subspecies was compared to the human subspecies. Any bones found prior to the faey subjugation might not have been distinguishable from human bones or of such small differences as to have been misidentified. Misidentification has happened many times before when studying [human] evolution. That's assuming that they even have any examples of faey ancestor remains, the percentage of samples that survives is not very big. If they do have examples of original earth origin faey remains and they can extract useful DNA out of them the variation might only show up in a full(er) gene sequencing with older simpler methods being potentially inconclusive. Modern faey may have much greater genetic differences to humans than the original faey. As you've stated before none of this should hinder the many relevant scientific fields from discovering a common ancestry. The body of evidence would be huge and more advanced imperium technology should make the analysis even easier.

[SYED]

The thing is we can all agree that members of jason family are a bunch of trouble makers so likly to be shipped abroad. Could exposure to a neww enviroment and ecology, some how make it so they are not so suscepitable to cancer. HOw long have fertility clinics been open, what is one karrine descendant left his material in one.

[Phantom]

The thing is we can all agree that members of jason family are a bunch of trouble makers so likly to be shipped abroad. Could exposure to a neww enviroment and ecology, some how make it so they are not so suscepitable to cancer. HOw long have fertility clinics been open, what is one karrine descendant left his material in one.

None

Remember the Faey don't belive in doing it any way but natural .......Period

Jason almost made that mistake too.....


Phantom

[ANTIcarrot]

Remember the Faey don't belive in doing it any way but natural .......Period

Yeah, but the Faey are also serial hipocrates, and after thousands of years of galactic history, no one else trusts them to keep their word for a very good reason. Groups of Faey like the Karrine are also quite willing to break the whole 'only the traditional way' idea if they get something out of it.

And getting back on topic, genetics isn't a black and white situation. While there may only have been two functional generations on Earth at the time of the invasion, there were probably hundreds (or hundreds of thousands) of people with part of the genetic key needed to be a generation. There's plenty of genetic material to be scavanged by someone sufficietly curious and amoral. And I can think of at least four people or groups that qualify.
1) The Kimdori
2) The Karrine
3) The Consotrium
4) The Faey Empress

There's also the minor issue that the humans have figured out that faey technology can make Ghost In The Shell real, and once they have that technology and are willing to use it, you'll have an entire planet full of people who are effectively generations, except for the telekenisis, and the ability to mind rape passers by in the street. The Faey won't want the technology (probably another reason to look down on the humans) and even if the other races do want it, they'll have to work to adapt it, which probably won't be simple. Humans may have the technology to themselves for a year or two...

[Fel]

There's also the minor issue that the humans have figured out that faey technology can make Ghost In The Shell real, and once they have that technology and are willing to use it, you'll have an entire planet full of people who are effectively generations, except for the telekenisis, and the ability to mind rape passers by in the street. The Faey won't want the technology (probably another reason to look down on the humans) and even if the other races do want it, they'll have to work to adapt it, which probably won't be simple. Humans may have the technology to themselves for a year or two...

Actually, this becomes a major focus in Succession, those humans who are "wired" so their brains can directly interface with computers. Jason was enthusiastic about the applications of it, of humans having the Generation-like ability to interface with computers at a direct level. The military applications are enough to make any general drool, but the civilian applications are even broader.

At first, humans and Shio are the only ones able to undergo the process, due to the fact that human brain architecture has been exactly mapped out in order to have it done, and they find out quickly that Shio brain architecture is almost exactly the same, allowing them to wire Shio with just a little extra research; well, Faey could as well, but no Faey in her right mind would EVER let anyone monkey with her brain, it might damage her talent. Other races could adapt it, but it would take a couple of years of research in that race's brain architecture for them to get it right.

Damn Gora's Law, making the Shio so similar to the Faey and the Terrans....

[Hearly]

There's also the minor issue that the humans have figured out that faey technology can make Ghost In The Shell real, and once they have that technology and are willing to use it, you'll have an entire planet full of people who are effectively generations, except for the telekenisis, and the ability to mind rape passers by in the street. The Faey won't want the technology (probably another reason to look down on the humans) and even if the other races do want it, they'll have to work to adapt it, which probably won't be simple. Humans may have the technology to themselves for a year or two...

Actually, this becomes a major focus in Succession, those humans who are "wired" so their brains can directly interface with computers. Jason was enthusiastic about the applications of it, of humans having the Generation-like ability to interface with computers at a direct level. The military applications are enough to make any general drool, but the civilian applications are even broader.

At first, humans and Shio are the only ones able to undergo the process, due to the fact that human brain architecture has been exactly mapped out in order to have it done, and they find out quickly that Shio brain architecture is almost exactly the same, allowing them to wire Shio with just a little extra research; well, Faey could as well, but no Faey in her right mind would EVER let anyone monkey with her brain, it might damage her talent. Other races could adapt it, but it would take a couple of years of research in that race's brain architecture for them to get it right.

Damn Gora's Law, making the Shio so similar to the Faey and the Terrans....

heh are you now implying that the Shio also came from Earth?

[DigitalMaestro]

Damn Gora's Law, making the Shio so similar to the Faey and the Terrans....

heh are you now implying that the Shio also came from Earth?

Sounds like the mystery race has some pretty big implications. A major plot device about to enter an already awesome story....

-DM

[expedient]

Sounds like stuffed herrings for dinner...

Will the rest of the Confederacy even be aware of this new Karrine technology? Unless Jason tells them they're not likely to find out seeing as how they'll be fighting locally while the KMS and Kimdori will be fighting on the other side of the galaxy.

[SYED]

SHio cant have kids with faey correct, but can they have kids with humans. do shio have any mental skills, can they add someting new.

SO shio and humans become kick ass fighter pilots, take up a big part of the war. shio are likkly to become part of the imperium, following earth having their own system.

CAn kimdori dna help bridge the gap so shio can have hybrid children with their cousin races.

the faey were moved because they were being hunted, other types of human were destroyed, the faey were likly saved because they are telepathic, so why were the shio saved, what made them speacial.

THe nin colonies have forgotten their own homewold, so i bet they were the ones who moved the skilled races around.

[Phantom]

SHio cant have kids with faey correct, but can they have kids with humans. do shio have any mental skills, can they add someting new.

SO shio and humans become kick ass fighter pilots, take up a big part of the war. shio are likkly to become part of the imperium, following earth having their own system.

CAn kimdori dna help bridge the gap so shio can have hybrid children with their cousin races.

the faey were moved because they were being hunted, other types of human were destroyed, the faey were likly saved because they are telepathic, so why were the shio saved, what made them speacial.

THe nin colonies have forgotten their own homewold, so i bet they were the ones who moved the skilled races around.

Are You assuming that shio were also on earth ?

I got the idea that either the human/Faey tranplanted on to earth might be related to the Shio

Either they were removed from the Shio homeworld and transplanted to earth ....or
they were removed same as the Humans/Faey and transplanted to their current "home planet"

and they are another Homo Erectus sub-species like the Faey

There's also the minor issue that the humans have figured out that faey technology can make Ghost In The Shell real, and once they have that technology and are willing to use it, you'll have an entire planet full of people who are effectively generations, except for the telekenisis, and the ability to mind rape passers by in the street. The Faey won't want the technology (probably another reason to look down on the humans) and even if the other races do want it, they'll have to work to adapt it, which probably won't be simple. Humans may have the technology to themselves for a year or two...

Actually, this becomes a major focus in Succession, those humans who are "wired" so their brains can directly interface with computers. Jason was enthusiastic about the applications of it, of humans having the Generation-like ability to interface with computers at a direct level. The military applications are enough to make any general drool, but the civilian applications are even broader.

At first, humans and Shio are the only ones able to undergo the process, due to the fact that human brain architecture has been exactly mapped out in order to have it done, and they find out quickly that Shio brain architecture is almost exactly the same, allowing them to wire Shio with just a little extra research; well, Faey could as well, but no Faey in her right mind would EVER let anyone monkey with her brain, it might damage her talent. Other races could adapt it, but it would take a couple of years of research in that race's brain architecture for them to get it right.

Damn Gora's Law, making the Shio so similar to the Faey and the Terrans....

Fel why damn Gora's Law? .......Gora's law works fine if they all started from one and the same common parent Homo Erectus species

hehehehehehehehehehe Boy if they learn this will some people be PISSED Off!!!

One think i should point out

Just cause Ghost In The Shell allows humans and shio to have the Generation-like ability to interface with computers at a direct level.
It dosen't grant them Telepathic abilitys.

The only way i can se that even partly happening is if they were to be interfaced to a bio-genic computer

true it allows them to control computer at the speed of thought ....and i'm sure there might be ways to sheild from telepathy as well in the
karnes data banks.



Phantom