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boballab wrote:If there is an aggressor force of Consortium ships outside the the Interdict field they could spot you and due to seeing your hops plot your course.

There are several counters to that:

- They would have to know the system the stargate was linked to, and

- You could re-point your stargate to another system, and hop out of that instead (They'd have to picket all the systems, and a 1LY sphere is a lot of area to cover).

- Active Stealthing would make it difficult to detect any sufficiently equipped ship. (Why hasn't Jason equipped all ships with his cloaking gear?)

- Spoofing c/- Holographic generators and/or other goodies can make a dozen or two dozen Aegis's appear to be jumping in all directions... Without a huge picket force, it'd be nigh impossible to counter that.

There's one seperate issue that I see though... A several thousand ton KEW aimed at a star and accelerated to a significant fraction of C would surely do some interesting damage. I wonder if The Consortium has thought of that kind of tactic - just turning off someone's star.

In all the analysis of Faey, no one has commented on the unusual role religion plays in their culture.

On one hand , they seem to be mostly secular but on the other hand , yet they adhere to their beliefs with almost religious fervor.
No where do you find mention of attendance in a house of worship, any rituals (except for passing out parties) or anything that, a person would define as representing Their faith.Even the most lapse of humans , would attend a service at some stage or some time or in some form. Yet with the faey all we find is a few references to their deity and thats about it.(Which is also pretty surprising cause as we know the faey are a very aggression war like folks , who aren't afraid of making their feelings known.)
Yet at the same time for example., we find this adherence for the sanctity of life as defined by the strict tenets of their faith.Which in my mind at least , kinda make no sence , cause if your totally secular, then at least you would contemplate the whole pro choice -pro life debate.If i am not mistaken , isn't the whole gender divide partly religious as well?

Perhaps as time has passed, they have simply become jaded and all left is this watered down version of the original.dunno.

Also isn't the Empress expected to a paragon of religious faith or least play lip service to it?

Faey aren't terribly pious.

They're much like America in that regard, that their government is basically secular, but the individuals practice religion. Jyslin isn't devout, but she believes in her people's religion enough for it to be a sticking point in their house. Jason is a Methodist, she believes in Trelle, and they don't discuss religion in the Karinne household.

Dahnai is "kinda" a mouthpiece for her religion in that she's expected to put a public face on attending ceremonies and festivals and whatnot, but she's only religious in her public persona. Privately, she's much more agnostic than anything else.

Coming down to brass tacks, Dahnai is a follower of the religion of political power, and there's little room inside her for another god.

I briefly touch on these points in the next chapter, because Dahnai asks Jason what the Christmas holiday is all about.

Spec8472 wrote:

boballab wrote:If there is an aggressor force of Consortium ships outside the the Interdict field they could spot you and due to seeing your hops plot your course.

There are several counters to that:

- They would have to know the system the stargate was linked to, and

- You could re-point your stargate to another system, and hop out of that instead (They'd have to picket all the systems, and a 1LY sphere is a lot of area to cover).

- Active Stealthing would make it difficult to detect any sufficiently equipped ship. (Why hasn't Jason equipped all ships with his cloaking gear?)

- Spoofing c/- Holographic generators and/or other goodies can make a dozen or two dozen Aegis's appear to be jumping in all directions... Without a huge picket force, it'd be nigh impossible to counter that.

There's one seperate issue that I see though... A several thousand ton KEW aimed at a star and accelerated to a significant fraction of C would surely do some interesting damage. I wonder if The Consortium has thought of that kind of tactic - just turning off someone's star.

Yes there is counter measures and counter counter measures, but it only comes into play if the Consortium can cut off the Stargate that is the outside link, ie the one at the Neutron star. It would be more feasible I think to have the Kimdori Take a Stargate from Kimdori Prime to somewhere safe and link to say the Stargate at Karis, Since Kimdori Prime is really deep in radiation I don't think the Consortium can really blockade them at this point.

boballab wrote:

Spec8472 wrote:

boballab wrote:If there is an aggressor force of Consortium ships outside the the Interdict field they could spot you and due to seeing your hops plot your course.

There are several counters to that:

- They would have to know the system the stargate was linked to, and

- You could re-point your stargate to another system, and hop out of that instead (They'd have to picket all the systems, and a 1LY sphere is a lot of area to cover).

- Active Stealthing would make it difficult to detect any sufficiently equipped ship. (Why hasn't Jason equipped all ships with his cloaking gear?)

- Spoofing c/- Holographic generators and/or other goodies can make a dozen or two dozen Aegis's appear to be jumping in all directions... Without a huge picket force, it'd be nigh impossible to counter that.

There's one seperate issue that I see though... A several thousand ton KEW aimed at a star and accelerated to a significant fraction of C would surely do some interesting damage. I wonder if The Consortium has thought of that kind of tactic - just turning off someone's star.

Yes there is counter measures and counter counter measures, but it only comes into play if the Consortium can cut off the Stargate that is the outside link, ie the one at the Neutron star. It would be more feasible I think to have the Kimdori Take a Stargate from Kimdori Prime to somewhere safe and link to say the Stargate at Karis, Since Kimdori Prime is really deep in radiation I don't think the Consortium can really blockade them at this point.

Um, you guys are missing a point, a stargate can connect to any other stargate, at least it was implied when Dalahi (sp?) asked Jason if he had his stargate up and could link it to her's to get her fleet there.

So it wouldn't really matter if they found the other stargate, as they could just de-link it and link it to another.

And the interesting thing is they could put a stargate inide of their moon so no one could see it. Thus the consortium can't just shoot at it and a year late it gets destroyed. This could be an emergency back up just in case. Give the Kemdori one to hide and they keep a spare in the moon and everyone has a backup. Could they use the tech to create a mini version and walk from Keris to the moon like a space doorway?

Yes you can link to any other stargate as Dhanai asked but you missed something along with that. Under Jason's plan all those Stargates will be inside the interdiction field of the Intedictors except the one at the Neutron Star. IF the Consortium blocks, captures or destoys all the Stargates that are outside the Interdiction Fields it basically bottles up their Oppsositon inside their defensive wall. That means it becomes very hard for the KMS to go on the offensive against the Consortium. Yes they can Hop through those fields, but and its a very big but, without an outside Stargate they can't get back in. They will be trapped outside of any friendly territory. That means they can't get back to Kosigi and repair, relace any combat losses, restock any consumables or update with any new tech. Thats why I said if the Neutron Star Gate is lost it would be better to have the Kimdori make a gate at Kimdori Prime and fly off into the middle of nowhere and link it back to Karis. Then any KMS ships can jump to that location and get back to Karis. Then you just have the Kimdori unlink the Gate and tow it away so the Consortium doesn't get a shot at it.

boballab wrote:Yes you can link to any other stargate as Dhanai asked but you missed something along with that. Under Jason's plan all those Stargates will be inside the interdiction field of the Intedictors except the one at the Neutron Star. IF the Consortium blocks, captures or destoys all the Stargates that are outside the Interdiction Fields it basically bottles up their Oppsositon inside their defensive wall. That means it becomes very hard for the KMS to go on the offensive against the Consortium. Yes they can Hop through those fields, but and its a very big but, without an outside Stargate they can't get back in. They will be trapped outside of any friendly territory. That means they can't get back to Kosigi and repair, relace any combat losses, restock any consumables or update with any new tech. Thats why I said if the Neutron Star Gate is lost it would be better to have the Kimdori make a gate at Kimdori Prime and fly off into the middle of nowhere and link it back to Karis. Then any KMS ships can jump to that location and get back to Karis. Then you just have the Kimdori unlink the Gate and tow it away so the Consortium doesn't get a shot at it.

Um, it takes what 1-2 days for it to power up? they could always mass a fleet at a location and turn it off, there are a lot more possiblities for them to do, also the Kimidori I don't think will have one in there system, so they could always send a stargate to some location outside of the fields.

or who knows thaty they don't already have some just laying around in out of the way spots incase they need them.

Because it takes 2 days to power back up that planet would be at risk after the fleet jumps out for offensive operations and also again when they come back. Jason's plan is to never turn them off. Now because of Kimdori Prime's location and radioactivity I don't think the Insectoids can operate there. That means the Consortium can't get close to them at all and as shown by the Denmother they have the resources to build a Stargate. They just need to build one and tow it out and its mobility out in space is it's protection and at the same time reducing the risk to any planet. This way actually gives the KMS an operational advantage. They can jump through the protected Stargates to any planet since they can switch links and the Consortium won't know were they are amassing. Then from that location they just link to the mobile Stargate, jump through and head out on operations. The Kimdori unlink the gate and tow it to a another predeterimed spot and await the fleets return. When they arrive they link back to the Karis gate and jump through. The Kimdori then unlink the Gate and tow it back to Kimdori Prime. There no planets are risked, the enemy has no fixed staging area and they have no Idea were they will get hit next from.

how quick can a gate be set up, is a smal group of ships dedicated to moving and defending, the gates could continually be on the move, stopping only for use

boballab wrote:Because it takes 2 days to power back up that planet would be at risk after the fleet jumps out for offensive operations and also again when they come back. Jason's plan is to never turn them off. Now because of Kimdori Prime's location and radioactivity I don't think the Insectoids can operate there. That means the Consortium can't get close to them at all and as shown by the Denmother they have the resources to build a Stargate. They just need to build one and tow it out and its mobility out in space is it's protection and at the same time reducing the risk to any planet. This way actually gives the KMS an operational advantage. They can jump through the protected Stargates to any planet since they can switch links and the Consortium won't know were they are amassing. Then from that location they just link to the mobile Stargate, jump through and head out on operations. The Kimdori unlink the gate and tow it to a another predeterimed spot and await the fleets return. When they arrive they link back to the Karis gate and jump through. The Kimdori then unlink the Gate and tow it back to Kimdori Prime. There no planets are risked, the enemy has no fixed staging area and they have no Idea were they will get hit next from.

That's pretty logical.

This might be off topic at the moment but it is realated to chapter 6...

Boy would I love to see the face of the Alliance and Skaa leaders when they get the report that all of Imperium and Collective systems are suddenly and SIMULTANIOUSLY protected from hyperspace jump ins.

This is all assuming that Jason's plan goes relitivly smoothly and the collective are able to set up a Stargate network.

Fel wrote: Coming down to brass tacks, Dahnai is a follower of the religion of political power, and there's little room inside her for another god.

shades of Keritanima!

dellstart wrote:

Fel wrote: Coming down to brass tacks, Dahnai is a follower of the religion of political power, and there's little room inside her for another god.

shades of Keritanima!

Actually Keri and Dahnai are polar opposites, Keri never wanted to be Queen. She first made up the persona of the brat, then ran off with Tarrin. When she had secular power thrust upon her, because she knew she had no choice, she has worked to divest herself of that power. Dahnai wants to be Empress and the only way to keep that seat is to grab as much power as she can. Dahnai would never in a million years voluntarily give up her power like Keri did. The one good thing about Dahnai though is she is no Damon Eram.

You also can't say Keri searches hungrilly for power just because she is a Da'shar either. The power of Sorcery was endowed upon her by Niami at her birth, she didn't search it out.

Being that you're a Da'shar too according to the forum... you just had to defend the fact that being a Da'shar doesn't make someone hungry for power... lest we mark you as hungry for forum posts