Tarrin and the God plane

[Belgarion213]

I soppose but the problem is the gods from Sennadar have a good chance of winning. Remember that Sennadar lies very close to the core of the multiverse where the god of gods lives. Because of this it has an extreamly high magic level. Even the weakest of the younger gods according to Sprder is a power to fear outside the walls of Sennadar. If some of their greater powers rose up it.

[Belgarion213]

Your right of course.

However one of the problems Tarrin has is that though he has the friendship of quite a few gods, he has no real support. There is no active Pathelon(sp?) that really support him or back him up. Without that it could cause some trouble for him.

[Plshade]

All true but I can't help wondering about your comment about Tarrin having no pantheon for support. I don't know if this was stated in the stories but did the Firestaff exist only in Sennadar and in no other planes/worlds before Val used it?

It was just a curious thought that maybe there could be older Children of the Firestaff existing on other worlds or in the God Plane.

[Belgarion213]

The Firestaff will not let itself be taken from Sennadar. There probably are some children of the Firestaff but they are probably long gone from Sennadar(I mean they left for other worlds).

[Lochar]

As far as we know, there are only two Firestaff Children.

But who knows if there are other artifacts in other Realms that do about the same thing.  It was said by Niami that it was created by a long dead race.

Could that race have migrated through one of the portals 10s or 100s of thousands of years ago and created different artifacts in different Planes?

[Belgarion213]

This is only my personal theory, but I think that while the race might have migrated and created similar artifacts, there are limits in which planes they would work. Remember when Tarrin assended he reached back to the start of the planes creation for the power of pure divine creation to morpth himself into a god. A plane that is to far away from the core, and thus with a lower magic index would not only create a weaker god, but might actually be unable to create a god at all.

[Phantom]

hehehe, someone finally asks.

Yes, the Ki'Zadun caused the Breaking.

Their attack on the Tower of Dala Yar Arak started the chain reaction, when they killed the Tower's sui'kun.

No, it wasn't intentional. Yes, they meant to kill the sui'kun to stop him from disrupting their plan, but they had no idea that killing only one sui'kun could do what it did. Their mistake was killing him when he was joined to the Conduit that ran through the Tower of Dala Yar Arak. His death destroyed the Conduit, that fed directly back into the Weave, and it killed all the other sui'kun except Spyder.

Which tore the Weave, and caused the Breaking.

If Two towers survived why didn't 2 sui'kun survive the breaking ?

Was Spyder outside of the 7 sui'kun that existed at the time of the breaking ?

Or did she survive just because she was opening the Shadow Sheild for the Sha'Kar at the time and protected by it ?


Phantom

[Phantom]

As far as we know, there are only two Firestaff Children.

But who knows if there are other artifacts in other Realms that do about the same thing. It was said by Niami that it was created by a long dead race.

Could that race have migrated through one of the portals 10s or 100s of thousands of years ago and created different artifacts in different Planes?

I wonder if that Long dead race could be the Elves ?

We know Niami wouldn't tell tarrin their name at first.
could they have been the ones to create/help to create the Firestaff?.


Phantom

[rick]

A possiable explaination for those two towers survival is that Niami`s Icon is located at one end of the conduct. I belive (untill Fel says otherwise ) that it was allways located there. Becasue it was as a gods Icon it would act as anchor for that one conduct.However it wouldn`t be enought to maitain the whole weave by itself.
The Weave being created and maintained by Sui `kun and the other Sorrcers couldnot survie the shock of the towers distruction.as Fel explained .

[Phantom]

A possiable explaination for those two towers survival is that Niami`s Icon is located at one end of the conduct. I belive (untill Fel says otherwise ) that it was allways located there. Becasue it was as a gods Icon it would act as anchor for that one conduct.However it wouldn`t be enought to maitain the whole weave by itself.
The Weave being created and maintained by Sui `kun and the other Sorrcers couldnot survie the shock of the towers distruction.as Fel explained .

True I knew that 2 of the Towers had to survive in order that there could even be a conduit.  I was wondering about the fate of the Sui `kun assigned to those towers
if they could have survived the breaking because the 2 still existed.  

Now if Spyder was the Sui `kun in Scud then that could explain her surviving the breaking somewhat.
(besides the fact she is a MiShara

We know she was at the shadow shield when the breaking occurred so the power that created it could have protected her.


Phantom

[Belgarion213]

I dont think Spyrder was at a tower. Remember even before the breaking she was a mysteriouse, powerful sorceress that wandered around.

[Hearly]

I dont think Spyrder was at a tower. Remember even before the breaking she was a mysteriouse, powerful sorceress that wandered around.

Spyder was letting those Sha'Kar on that Island at the time of the breaking...

[Phantom]

I dont think Spyrder was at a tower. Remember even before the breaking she was a mysteriouse, powerful sorceress that wandered around.

But before the breaking occurred I thought there were only 7 Sui`kun One for each Tower who also acted as Keeper.  

That would mean Spyder would have had to have been one of the Towers Keepers regardless of her Being a MiShara or because of it.

She being one of the 7 Sui`kun  

Her being the Keeper of the Tower in Scud would make the most Sense as Naimi's Icon is there and it's the Main Conduit.

True after the Blood war occurred she would have been more busy with also having to watch Haven and the Gate.

We know where she was at the Time of the Breaking She was Opening the Shadow Sheild to allow the
Sha'Kar on to the Island where the Firestaff was hidden


But it was just something I was wondering about

I also wondered why the Sha'Kar couldn't sense she was Sui`kun ?  after all they knew Tarrin was Sui`kun right away.


Phantom