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I guess the old adage of a secret reaming a secret might not be so true in this case.

OK, maybe now I can actually get this thing to let me leave a message. I'm typing this in notepad and I'll paste it here. Have I ever said I hate Windows......Now to my message......

1. The exile ship was a scientific research ship, not a spy ship. It had no advanced or secret technology.
2. The exile ship a commoners ship manned by commoners far from home. The generations would not have allowed them to have advanced or dangerous technology.
3. Just as on Earth today, there were rumors and legends of who and what the generations were and what they could do.
4. There were rumors and legends about living computers that could send to the generations.

Jason has indicated that the generations of old were pulling away from others, even of their own house and especially of outsiders such as those at the academy. Jason, himself, is limiting his time on Earth, partially from fear that others will begin to suspect that he has access to far greater technology then he has already revieled. The old house only had one planet so the commoner had many opertunities to hear rumors and legends about the nobles. But they had few facts to back up their ideas.

Jason has considered many technologies that are stored in the memory banks of Cybi. He has considered the replicators that are still advanced to what the Imperium uses today. But when he considered building StarGates, he was going to buy one, disassemble it and replicate it. If the technology existed before the destruction of Keris he would have at least considered the information in Cybi before reverse engineering them.

If the StarGate technology existed as common knowledge at the time of the destruction of Keris the exiles would have has some knowledge of them. Perhaps a lot of knowledge and the Consortium would be using them. Yet it takes them five years of HyperSpace travel to get to our galaxy,even though they have a sizable force here.

There is no way the Generations were stupid enough to allow the information about the Interdictor to escape their tight control. They may have found it to be useless, but they also would have seen that it was also dangerous. The generations didn't trust their own house, let alone outsiders. They certainly would not have allowed a commoners research ship, with a crew of commoners to have information that was potential dangerous to the house unless they believed they were safe from it's use.

No scientific research ship is going to fill it's database with trivial, useless data about technology that is not commonly known when they are far from home and have only the resources of their ship to gather all of their research. They are only going to have the currently used technology and perhaps some information on how it was made or worked. They certainly would not have detailed plans for every device ever conceived by their house.

The consortium has no knowledge of the Interdictor. It was not discussed until after the subspace probes were discovered. You can bet there are NONE within light years of Keris or Terra, and the Kemdori have checked for that possibility. The consortium does not now have access to a star gate, although they may now have information about their existance and how to make them. But it's going to take a while to get the information back home and to build one on both ends. Is there a limit on how far you can travel with one in a single jump?

The consortium found a race of people that, although they lived a meager existance, had information about a destroyed race of people who had tremendous technology. They also had rumors of a living computer and a generations program that existed for thousands of years that created an advanced race of people that could send to that computer. This was ONLY a rumor, but would you believe that a race of people that had tech so far ahead of your own might also have even more advance at their home world, then they would put on a research ship? The consortium believed those rumors, even though the exiled had no proof. They probably even tried to imitate it, but with no facts or reserch it was hard, so they started trying to find out the truth.

The house had been destroyed and the planet was radioactive but the Fay had some tech, but theirs was already as good, once they were able to duplicate it, so they didn't bother continuing to take fay research. But then Jason comes along and restarts the house and declares himself ruler. Is he a generation? Does he know about the computer? Are the rumors true? They have plenty of ships so they try to find out as quickly as possible.

The other evidence that the consortium does not have Interdictor technology, nor stargate tech, is that the Kemdori have visited their hideout, and that wouldn't happen if they had the ability to shield themselves. They certainly would know about the Kemdori and how close they are to the house, but who are they are were is their home world? Even Jason doesn't know that information. He only knows it takes a long time to get from their to Keris, even if you go nonstop.

Things aren't going so swimmingly for a our main hero.You have to feel for his pain , even if its self inflicted.Plagued by trials and tribulations
from both without and within,this will be a stern test of even Jason's resilience.

That was quite a dramatic declaration of loyalty and love, there on the beach by the Empresses. Doesn't help archive what he wanted with his daughter though.
So I guess little Raisha will be a modern day Moses raised in the Place of king Pharaoh!

At least there will be an Interdictor and probably a host of Kereene ships. I think Draconus will become the third safest planet in the Imperium. Keris and Terra and then Draconis. If anyone objects to him protecting his daughter, let them try to stop him.....

By the way. One other thought on the tech that the Consortium might have gotten and why they didn't get the Interdictor. Cybi knew every person on the exiles ship. She obviously knew everything on their computers and what the contents of their possessions were. She knew what information they may have had, including their knowledge based on schooling, work, and hobies. If she thought anyone on the ship had any information on the Interdictors, don't you think she would have told Jason? No one on that ship had any clue about that technology. She would have known. Jason would know by now if the Consortium had any information that may lead to them gaining that technology.

The exiles didn't know about HOW the generations began to be able to send with computers or what the living computers were about thats what all the problems are about. They want the tech but they don't have it.

Another comments on knowing how things work vs being able to build it.

Just because you know how something works doesn't mean you are able to build it. The exiles knew how to build a lot of things. They probably could have built a ship and return to Keris, but they couldn't because they didn't have the resources. Also many people know how a motor works. Many even can rebuild it and make it work better. But how many can actually build one. Do they know how to build the equipment necessary to build it? Do they know how to make the honning pads, or know how to make the calibration equipment? There are a lot of technology behind any technology that exist. Just because you know how a particular item works, doesn't mean you know how to get it built.

I'm currently going to school for Computer Networking. We have been taught a lot about Cat 5 cables and how they are designed. How they work and why. But we don't know the chemical make up of the insulators or coatings that go into making one. We are taught how many twist per inch each pair is twisted and why. We know which color sequences are traditionally used to connect to the RJ45 plugs and I have even seen the breakdown of the parts to make the RJ45 plug. But all of that doesn't make me qualified to make one.

It would take a lot of research to duplicate the technology even though I have used it, and studied the details of why it's constructed the way it is.

I snip the quote to address these parts specifically

lapland wrote:1. The exile ship was a scientific research ship, not a spy ship. It had no advanced or secret technology.
2. The exile ship a commoners ship manned by commoners far from home. The generations would not have allowed them to have advanced or dangerous technology.

Jason has indicated that the generations of old were pulling away from others, even of their own house and especially of outsiders such as those at the academy. Jason, himself, is limiting his time on Earth, partially from fear that others will begin to suspect that he has access to far greater technology then he has already revieled. The old house only had one planet so the commoner had many opertunities to hear rumors and legends about the nobles. But they had few facts to back up their ideas.
as common knowledge at the time of the destruction of Keris the exiles would have has some knowledge of them. Perhaps a lot of knowledge and the Consortium would be using them. Yet it takes them five years of HyperSpace travel to get to our galaxy,even though they have a sizable force here.

on Point 1. you are completely incorrect. The entire ship was advanced technology that was kept secret from the Imperium. The Scimitar in Jason's time is more advanced then any non Karinne ship in existance. !,000 years ago nothing was even its ball park. No others outside of the Kimdori could real time Hyper jump except the Karinnes. The Scimitar had full Gestalt capability. It's engines use plamsa systems that are still hundred years in advance of the Imperium. The Dropships used by the Karinnes had at minimum Interface capability which is still classified by the Karinnes and those were captured by the consortium. That shows you right there that secret information that is classified in Cybi's Databanks as not being secure. The Comoners that worked on the Engines, know how those engines work and that knoweledge is classified in Cybi's Databanks again showing a breach in Karinne security.

on point 2. you are mistaking commoners for meaning non-generation. Ther were non-generation nobles in house Karinne. Just because there was no Generations on that ship does not mean there was no Nobles on that ship and all the Nobles have more access to information, Generation and Non Generation, then commoners.

As pointed out the Scimitar is a scientific research ship. Now I don't know about you but it seems to me that it would be pretty hard to do any scientific research if you don't have a science database with you to research with. A pure military ship out there wouldn't have that much a scientific database on it but a research ship would. Remember even Aura tells you they still have some books on Exile that the Firstcomers left from the scientific Database off the Scimitar.

They taught our ancestors how to survive, and the lessons passed down to us. After the devices they brought all failed, they taught the ancestors simpler ways, simpler weapons. But they kept everything in books, and it’s the duty of every child to read the books and know where they came from, so we never forget. We thought we were the last of the Karinnes, she told him steadily. And then that ship comes out of the sky! It caused quite a panic, she admitted. But there were pictures of it in the books of the ancestors, so we knew it was from our house.

In Subjugation Aura tells you the Consortium took some of the Karinnes, raided the camp and also took the dropships.

The others? Ah, yes. The ancestors wrote of them, my Duke. Before the devices our ancestors brought failed, there were other ships they saw, but they weren’t Karinne ships. So they fled the camp they made when they landed and hid from them, fearing they were Imperial ships that had come to kill them. But they weren’t Imperial, they were something else. The histories say that a group of ancestors were captured by them, and the ones who took them looked like gigantic insects, led by a strange creature made of pure light. They took our ancestors into their ship, looted the camp, and they left and never returned. They even took the small ships the Firstcomers used to get to Exile

Now I guess you don't know much about scientific research but even Fel used what scientists do when they are not in a lab and they have a project on their mind. The exmple is Jason when he made his Gun.

But the trip wasn’t only about having fun, so while Jyslin cooked some breakfast, and Tim and Symone played one on one volleyball, Jason pulled out his panel and books and started pondering his upcoming project. He wanted to design something interesting, but not something that would take forever to build.

So just like Jason designing his gun on a portable at the beach, a non generation Noble could have a portable that he downloaded the interdictor on, or even something else and been pondering it. Remember the Gun Jason designed started out as a old piece of tech in The Imperial Database.

It was a magnetic slingshot, something he remembered seeing in the Ministry of Technology databases when he was researching them for a project he’d done for Ailan at the start of the semester. The design was a thousand years old, obsolete by modern standards. He realized that he still had a copy of those specs in his panel’s memory, and he brought it up again to look at it.

The design of his gun is based on Tech that came about at the time of the Civil war and here you have a student on holiday downloading it and turning it into a weapon on a beach. The Imperium knows about his gun but doesn't know that he got the idea from their own databases. The same for the dropships captured on Exile. Jason doesn't know what information was in their databases, because he doesn't know what was in the Scimitar's Databases all he knows is what Cybi told him.

A standard KES carries scientific and survey equipment for the mapping, study, and research of stellar features, planets, and planetary ecosystems. The Scimitar was fitted for dedicated research of astral phenomena: nebulas, black holes, quasars, and such.

So whatever information the Karinnes had dealing with Astral Phenomena should have been in the Scimitars databanks. They even mention in Subjugation that the ship had been stripped all the way down to personal effects of the crew. So any information the Scimitar had is comprimised.

In summation Jason has no idea what was in the Databanks that the Consortium captured and they took still working Karinne devices from Exile and he doesn't have a clue which devices those were either. He doesn't no how many of the crew were scientists, how many were non generation nobles and how many were comoners. He doesn't know what projects the scientists had been working on officially or unofficially like he did with his gun. He doesn't know what access those scientists had and what they accessed and the reason for all that is he never investigated it. The Scimitar was only 8 years old at the time of civil war and the reason that I know this is because its on the Scimitars commisioning plaque. That means it had the best and most updated of everything the Karinnes had so something as old as the interdictor could have been in its databanks.

[KES Scimitar, Commissioned 2879 with the blessing of Grand Duchess Koiri Karinne.]

In 2887, Seditionist forces spearheaded by a Merrane battle fleet destroyed Karis

About being able to build a ship you missed a point or two. They had the technical know how to build one hell the Firstcomers already had one in the Scimitar. What they lacked is a place to go and the resources to build one. First they were fleeing the Imperium, the Firstcomers did what they did to hide from them, flying off in a ship increases the chance of being found. Two It is mentioned in Unification that Exile lacks heavy elements.

All of their factories were powered by steam generated in copper boilers; the only metal resources the Exiled had were silver, copper, lead, and zinc, and none of them were sturdy enough for heavy industry. They had made due with the four metals they had, alloying the copper, lead, and zinc together to form a metal that, while nowhere near as sturdy and effective as steel, was nevertheless just sturdy enough to allow them to build a few things.

So even if they built the tools to make the tools and so forth they will eventually run up against the fact of not having the right elements because they can't even reach an idustry that uses steel.

scimitar had the data base whie dropships have imited information, focasing on what to survive, also enemy attacking would make faey order computers to purge by gestalt

lapland wrote:At least there will be an Interdictor and probably a host of Kereene ships. I think Draconus will become the third safest planet in the Imperium. Keris and Terra and then Draconis. If anyone objects to him protecting his daughter, let them try to stop him.....

Of course. It's completely understandable that Jason would want to have absolutely unbeatable fleets in those three star systems. Who indeed could object? He is after all a reasonable man, and has no other territorial ambitions...

Thanks FEL, for chapter 6.

I, as normal, going to ask this off tangent question again of FEL. Does Dahnai has a Karrine heritage which makes a strong telepath and telekinetic but is not a generation. Continuing my conjecture.

It makes Dahnai pursuit of a gestalt because she wants to also knows her Karrine heritage and whether the gestalt works for her! She does not know the full extent of a Generation but she knew enough of the history.

And it does puzzle me that Jason did not tell her about the "Living Compueter" but she made an assumption from it, the telepathic computer is not the gestalt.

And possibly the Kimdori knew about Dahnai's Karrine heritage and kept quiet.

On another topic... I believe there is more to the story of Exiles. Somehow this part of the story is shortlived.. after I thought Unification is about them. ;p I am sure that Exile will be build as the forward base for the fight against Consortium, in the next instalment of Subjugation... The WAR with Consortium. The jump from there to the Consortium forward base will make it a big war front with the lines of war shaping up.

SYED wrote:consortium may attack gates so the faey are stuck in thier systems as it would take a year to make a gate out of a system,

No, you can jump out of the system in hops. So I don't see why you couldn't hop out with an entire stargate strapped to the Aegis.

Spec8472 wrote:

SYED wrote:consortium may attack gates so the faey are stuck in thier systems as it would take a year to make a gate out of a system,

No, you can jump out of the system in hops. So I don't see why you couldn't hop out with an entire stargate strapped to the Aegis.

Thats possible but there is some drawbacks to it. First the ship has to be a KMS or Kimdori ship that can do the hops in real time. Second it is that it takes multiple hops and you have to time the waves. If there is an aggressor force of Consortium ships outside the the Interdict field they could spot you and due to seeing your hops plot your course. Since they are out of the Interdict field they can real time Hop into you path and attack. With sufficent numbers you lose a valuable ship and endanger the loss of the stargate. Remember at the battle of Karis the KMS used that tactic against the Urumi.

Then, to his shock, he saw the Aegis jump in behind the fleet!
Before he could even scream at Myri about what the hell was going on, he saw the Aegis open fire, unleashing an onslaught of missiles. There was a virtual cloud of them, and behind that camouflage of death, Jason saw that the Aegis had jumped right back out, before the Urumi could even bring their weapons to bear against it. That was brilliant! It had jumped in outside of the range of its beam weapons, fired missiles, then jumped back out before the Urumi could bring their weapons to bear against it!

But if you have a Kimdori or KMS ship and no OpFor then it is completely doable.

the consortium requires generations , and the best way to draw them out is to attack terra. because then jason will come running to save his people.

cyberia

AS jason explained to dahnai, the gestalt is an interface , and if they abduct a generation, they have a set. an engineered fey and a biogenic interface. and then all theyll have to do is take them apart and put it back together.

cyberia

the nine colonies, zio 4 systems, the skaa republics 12 systems are aparrenty the only large groups not expanding, threatened by skaa and alliance, the rest are small time. currenty the consortium full fleet with size and teck could attack and steam rol these planets, to lure out the faey , the skaa and alliance may target planets shattered by the consortium, so less ressistance, also cause more trouble in the sector for the faey. faey position is entrenched and heavily defended so the consortium needs to more materials to fight so best remove it from the faey to weaken
aso the zygars are associated with alliance are they under threat.
why not put a gate just out side of indictor so easier jumps to close space