Chapter 2 Spoilers discussion...

[Hearly]

OK, wouldn't Mist be more of a follower than Dolanna?

I mean Fel hinted about it in the last book...

[Fiferguy]

I'm wondering if there's something more going to come of Mist later, though.  I can see the Dolanna link, but Tarrin wouldn't be able to give Mist anything in return for her faith.  As I understand it, at any rate.

That being said--great job Fel!  Can't wait to read more DB!

Fifer

[Hearly]

I'm wondering if there's something more going to come of Mist later, though.  I can see the Dolanna link, but Tarrin wouldn't be able to give Mist anything in return for her faith.  As I understand it, at any rate.

That being said--great job Fel!  Can't wait to read more DB!

Fifer

depends on if theres a time limit on it.. He gave her back the ability to have children and then gave her a child....

[Fel]

Hearly:  if I made things predictable, what fun would it be to read it?  ;)

There are reasons that it's Dolanna and not Mist.  The main one is that Dolanna's personality makes it easier for her to have the kind of true faith necessary to qualify as worship.  Mist's devotion to Tarrin is absolute, but it hasn't really crossed over into that territory.  Her faith in him has more to do with love than it does with worship.  Mist's faith certainly COULD cross that line in the future, she has that kind of absolute devotion to him, but for right now, it's still an intense personal bond between a male and a female.

What it boils down to in a way easy to understand:

Mist sees Tarrin as her mate.

Dolanna sees Tarrin as a god.

And that's the distinction that counts.

But, I will say if there was anyone else that could develop true faith in Tarrin, the first on that list would be Mist.  The instant she stops seeing him as her mate and sees him as a god, she would develop true faith, and that would increase his power.  Considerably, now that I ponder it, because her faith in him is so powerful.

And I hope this also answers those nagging questions a few of you had concerning how Tarrin was utilizing godly powers in Crossroads when he has no power.  ;)

And yes, I know, I seem to have contradicted myself and my story, altering certain "unmutable truths."  But that's what Tarrin's all about.  There's reasons for what happened in chapter 2.  They're not plot errors, so don't point them out.  All will become clear in time.  ;)

Tarrin himself said it best:  "possible and impossible are just illusions for those who don't understand the true nature of things."  ;)

[Hearly]

Hearly:  if I made things predictable, what fun would it be to read it?  ;)

There are reasons that it's Dolanna and not Mist.  The main one is that Dolanna's personality makes it easier for her to have the kind of true faith necessary to qualify as worship.  Mist's devotion to Tarrin is absolute, but it hasn't really crossed over into that territory.  Her faith in him has more to do with love than it does with worship.  Mist's faith certainly COULD cross that line in the future, she has that kind of absolute devotion to him, but for right now, it's still an intense personal bond between a male and a female.

What it boils down to in a way easy to understand:

Mist sees Tarrin as her mate.

Dolanna sees Tarrin as a god.

And that's the distinction that counts.

But, I will say if there was anyone else that could develop true faith in Tarrin, the first on that list would be Mist.  The instant she stops seeing him as her mate and sees him as a god, she would develop true faith, and that would increase his power.  Considerably, now that I ponder it, because her faith in him is so powerful.

And I hope this also answers those nagging questions a few of you had concerning how Tarrin was utilizing godly powers in Crossroads when he has no power.  ;)

And yes, I know, I seem to have contradicted myself and my story, altering certain "unmutable truths."  But that's what Tarrin's all about.  There's reasons for what happened in chapter 2.  They're not plot errors, so don't point them out.  All will become clear in time.  ;)

Tarrin himself said it best:  "possible and impossible are just illusions for those who don't understand the true nature of things."  ;)

Thanks for the Info Fel.

[Shadowhawk]

I guess that "something" given to Dolanna was the Wish Tarrin granted himself on her behalf, isn't it?

I winder whether people on Pyrosia can became followers of Tarrin. Better stil, convert from the One's faith. One can dream... The rule of something given by God might be unsurmountable obstacle, though...

Nice three powers Tarrin have: flying, dopplegangers, soulvesselgrabbing. Well, in addition to the powers of god of fire, like immunity to fire... I wonder whether walking thru fires works also...

[J-Man5]

I'm also thinking that high on the list of followers of Tarrin will be the children from Pyrosia, Jula, possibly Tuskutta, his other children, especially since children are some of the ones who most easily put faith in others.  It should be easy for that faith to change from fiath in father to  faith in "Father" Tarrin.

J-Man5

[Hearly]

Something else I was thinking about, Maybe Fel can answer it...

From what I think I Read and how I understand it.. When Tarrin put all his power into his sword, he was No longer a Child of the Firestaff, But because of Dolanna, He was now a Younger God, Now if they put his sword back together and he takes back the power the Firestaff gave him wouldn't he be a Dual God?

I thought it that his sword was broken into 3 peices the New chapter seems to imply that it is in 2?

[thisandthat]

I thought it that his sword was broken into 3 peices the New chapter seems to imply that it is in 2?

The answer can be found in SoF 17:367 "The two pieces of Tarrin's sword were dark and dull and no longer had any sense of the power that they had contained."

[thisandthat]

There are reasons that it's Dolanna and not Mist.  The main one is that Dolanna's personality makes it easier for her to have the kind of true faith necessary to qualify as worship ... Tarrin himself said it best:  "possible and impossible are just illusions for those who don't understand the true nature of things."

That and now loking back with 20/20 hind site we have in SoF 17:29-30

29 ... "Just have faith in me, Dolanna. We've already won, they just don't know it yet. They'll find out when we arrive, though."
30 "I have faith in you, dear one. I've seen you get out of too many situations like this to think you cannot do it again."

[Lochar]

Something else I was thinking about, Maybe Fel can answer it...

From what I think I Read and how I understand it.. When Tarrin put all his power into his sword, he was No longer a Child of the Firestaff, But because of Dolanna, He was now a Younger God, Now if they put his sword back together and he takes back the power the Firestaff gave him wouldn't he be a Dual God?

He is essentally a Younger God right now, as he is only powered by Dolanna's faith. If he got the Sword back, he'd probably be like Val.  Access to Firestaff power, but still reliant on worship for even more power.

Which reminds me.  Niami has stated that Tarrin can't have the faith of Dolanna because of needing to give back, which the Firestaff gods can't do.  He got around it using his wish for her.

How'd Val have and empower Priests?  Once the weave was restored, he didn't have to have them dependant on other Gods for Priest power.

[Shadowhawk]

Another idea:

The ability to grant something to believer to establish them as the true follower(TM) I think is related only to the Priests of Younger God, which are base of his/her power.

But ordinary believers, which are not Priests, and which are granted usually no favors from [younger] God, also increase God's power. So now that Tarrin has one true believer - Priest (Dolanna), he can gain power from additional believers even if he not gives anything divine/godly in return. Less power than from Priest (even the one who doesn't know it yet ) but some power nevertheless.

Maybe the Pyrosia division should try to convert Pyrosians from faith in The One to faith in Tarrin as the God who can protect them from demons, and have sent his Demon's Bane shadow to help them.

[ohtochooseaname]

Ok....in reading Chapter 2, I see a striking similarity between Tarrin's Doppleganger ability and Naruto's Kage Bunshin No Justu...They both create clones indistinguishable from the real thing because they have the same Chakra/Divine Aura signature, when the clones take a single hit they disappear into a puff of smoke, and they can be destroyed at any time by the creator....  It's not exactly the same, but it's pretty close.

[Belgarion213]

Remember that Spyder did something to Val that locked him into his Icon that reduced him from the status of elder god to younger god, perhaps that let him empower priests.

[Edengrave]

All that is well and good, but I've learned not to speculate much. I'm always surprised anyway, though it's fun.
What fascinates me is the alusion to new and different magics!
Am I the only one that sees possibilities here?
true, from what Fel wrote they are basically made possible by alterations of the world's law by their gods. but quoting Fel again, anything is possible! so Tarrin might add to his arsenal. the laws shouldn't matter to him anyway. after all there are far stronger laws that say u can't be a sorcerer a wizard, and a druid at the same time. yet he is. wonder what the All of crossroads feels like? lol probably overwhelming. back to the topic at hand: what's stopping him to see if he can learn new magics despite the seeming impossibility? ater all he has a far deeper and true understanding of what magic really is. runes are particulary fascinating. and they are probably other worlds with new ways of seeing things.
making corporal doubles of himself was a stroke of genius. never saw that one coming.
reminiscent of the kage bushin jutsu ne? for those not familiar with Naruto it's basically a ninja technique that does the exact same thing. great. if Tarrin could learn jutsus or something like that it would be so great. but Fel probably won't borrow from existing works. he has been completely original so far.
still humans skills are near infinite. ki manipulation for ex is a possibility. there are bound to be humans who have skills that Tarrin would value, and that he has never heard of back home. or lost skills that are probably in the libraries on crossroads. with his quick mind he would grasp them quickly and probably improve on them.
another thing. is there another forbidden prime? wouldnt it be wicked to see it? a world that have gods and magic just as powerfull as sennadar, but completely different. I'm already curious.