Two phrases from TV Tropes come to mind at the end of this chapter:
*Xanatos Planned This Index
*Scifi Writers Have No Sense Of Scale
Personally I'd be less worried about the hyperspace rings than I would any heavily industrialised moons - especially if the major factories are laid out over the surface in a strangely geometric pattern. The Faey long ago passed well into Lensmen Arms Race territory. The Karinne, Kimdori, and Consotrium have pretty much come out the other side. Yes they *can* throw whole planets about. And since the consortium has been fighting a galaxy spanning war for decades or centuries, they probably have already; several times perhaps. The interdictor won't do very much against a heavily fortified dwarf planet or two.
ANTIcarrot wrote:Two phrases from TV Tropes come to mind at the end of this chapter:
*Xanatos Planned This Index
*Scifi Writers Have No Sense Of Scale
Personally I'd be less worried about the hyperspace rings than I would any heavily industrialised moons - especially if the major factories are laid out over the surface in a strangely geometric pattern. The Faey long ago passed well into Lensmen Arms Race territory. The Karinne, Kimdori, and Consotrium have pretty much come out the other side. Yes they *can* throw whole planets about. And since the consortium has been fighting a galaxy spanning war for decades or centuries, they probably have already; several times perhaps. The interdictor won't do very much against a heavily fortified dwarf planet or two.
I thought it had already been stated, here in forums, that the Karinnes could not move (ie. provide engines for) something on that scale. The Consortium's engines are similar to an earlier Karinne design but their power generation and supply bandwidth is much inferior. So anything they build would only be on the scale of a super capital ship (maybe ten times the size of the Aegis?). The Consortium still has little effective defense against many of the Karinne weapons and so would still be vulnerable; their strength lies in weapons and numbers.
Or am I missing something, are you talking about attacking the Consortium held systems?
[quote="ANTIcarrot"]*Scifi Writers Have No Sense Of Scale[/quote] Pretty much every "space" story fails on this level where nearly every bit of tech breaks the rules our science currently observes or theorizes. As long as they consistently break the rules in the same way I'm sure we can all suspend disbelief.
ANTIcarrot wrote:Two phrases from TV Tropes come to mind at the end of this chapter:
*Xanatos Planned This Index
*Scifi Writers Have No Sense Of Scale
Personally I'd be less worried about the hyperspace rings than I would any heavily industrialised moons - especially if the major factories are laid out over the surface in a strangely geometric pattern. The Faey long ago passed well into Lensmen Arms Race territory. The Karinne, Kimdori, and Consotrium have pretty much come out the other side. Yes they *can* throw whole planets about. And since the consortium has been fighting a galaxy spanning war for decades or centuries, they probably have already; several times perhaps. The interdictor won't do very much against a heavily fortified dwarf planet or two.
Except that the Karinnes and Kimdori can ALSO throw dwarf planets around, and the fortified dwarf planet would still be sublight speed. That would give them a minimum of 2 years (probably closer to 3 because it would be 2 years AT light speed) to figure out how to deal with the problem. In addition, the GRAF cannon on Kosigi would give them a shot every 20 seconds for over 3 years. PLENTY of time to whittle down a small planet. Add that to the one they're installing on the Aegis, and you have two, unlimited-range weapons that have already been shown to easily damage the Consortium ships. So launching a heavily fortified dwarf planet would only be a waste of resources for the Consortium.
Insurrection Chapter 5 wrote:They [Cybi and Jason] spared a second to assess what was going on on the daytime side. Kosigi flared with light, as the GRAF cannon was charged. It was a torsion cannon much like the torsion weapons the Consortium used, but the difference was the GRAF used torsion to generate a beam of energy. GRAF stood for Gravometric Resonance Alternation Force, which used a harmonic torsion pattern in the cannon’s core to focus and release a massive blast of pure kinetic force. What the cannon fired was, quite simply, pure kinetic energy. The advantage of the GRAF was that it had an unlimited effective range; as long as there was a physical straight path between the cannon and its target, it could strike it.
And that range was used. The GRAF fired, illuminating the surface of the moon as a white-hot bar of pure energy blasted forth, streaking across the thousands of miles between the moon and the attacking ships, and slammed into the very center of their formation. Much to Jason’s eternal relief, he saw that the GRAF had damaged the ship it struck. The sustained pulse struck the ship’s shields and brought them down, and then blasted right through the narrow bow section, out the back of the crescent, then slammed into the aft section and ripped a gaping hole in the vessel. The vessel was violently deflected in its forward course by the impact, spinning up and out of control, tumbling away. The light of the GRAF faded, and then slowly began to build again. The weapon could only fire about once every twenty seconds, and at the rate those ships closed, Jason and Cybi calculated they would get six more shots before Kosigi was in range for them to fire on the moon and try to disable the cannon.
guess the speed is 6-7 ly a day, will the GRAF cannon work, cause that could destoy alot of ships. 1209600 seconds for whole shorest trip, so 604800 shots,
also a limit on the distance for targeting.
phase matched energy, pulse weapons, MPACs, and plasma torpedoes
phase matched energy, so if they get weapons matched, then they could weaponise a lot.
can you drop out at will, if not, what if they put a stargate infront of the fleet, and send them to the irradiated area.
That metal gun seems really good, it could destabalise alot of inferstructure.
THe karinne fleet will go on the offensive to strike at the enemy.
Kimdori and confederacy to deal with the remaining alliance systems.
THe consortium are building planet killers and catapults, kill the communication, then set up amushes. they have to move stuff betwween systems right, so there are patterns to them, so using a mini indictor to suprise ships take them out.
Does jason have designs for catapult, make a smaller mobile one so quick pull a quick strike on the hatchery nebula. build it to launch fighters and other attack craft Also what happens when you launch an indictor using this system, also be carefull those their forward system is kept safe.
They need to get that forward system up, or deal with the enemy too close. that system would let them bring the full force of their fleets forward, and expose the enemies base to attack.
Fiferguy wrote:Except that the Karinnes and Kimdori can ALSO throw dwarf planets around, and the fortified dwarf planet would still be sublight speed.
Except neither of them have mentioned the posibility up until now. They might be able, but not know about it. Besides, while Jason and the Kimdori have access to more advanced technology, they are very inexperienced with it, and have a comparatively tiny industrial base. The consortium has had near a thousand years to think of some very unusual applications of what they do have, and have an industrial base the size of a galaxy.
BEsides which, Fel has already hinted they do have something, and the story woudl be a foregone conclusion if they didn't.
Fiferguy wrote:Except that the Karinnes and Kimdori can ALSO throw dwarf planets around, and the fortified dwarf planet would still be sublight speed.
Except neither of them have mentioned the posibility up until now. They might be able, but not know about it. Besides, while Jason and the Kimdori have access to more advanced technology, they are very inexperienced with it, and have a comparatively tiny industrial base. The consortium has had near a thousand years to think of some very unusual applications of what they do have, and have an industrial base the size of a galaxy.
BEsides which, Fel has already hinted they do have something, and the story woudl be a foregone conclusion if they didn't.
Even still, anything with mass can't, by Einstein's theory in our dimension, go faster than light. So the dwarf planet would be slower than light, which would give the Karinnes and the Kimdori over 2 years to do something about it. And 2 years is a LONG time for the Karinnes to get creative.
Fiferguy wrote:Even still, anything with mass can't, by Einstein's theory in our dimension, go faster than light. So the dwarf planet would be slower than light, which would give the Karinnes and the Kimdori over 2 years to do something about it. And 2 years is a LONG time for the Karinnes to get creative.
Someone really hasn't learned their lesson from this chapter have they? Controlling what the Karinnes and Kimdori think about every waking second for two years would be a victory!
Fiferguy wrote:Even still, anything with mass can't, by Einstein's theory in our dimension, go faster than light. So the dwarf planet would be slower than light, which would give the Karinnes and the Kimdori over 2 years to do something about it. And 2 years is a LONG time for the Karinnes to get creative.
Someone really hasn't learned their lesson from this chapter have they? Controlling what the Karinnes and Kimdori think about every waking second for two years would be a victory!
Except that time and time again Fel has told us in the story that "Life goes on." Even with the war. And it wouldn't control them every second. Just every 20 seconds.
WHen ships are shot by the warp cannon, their states are altered until they decay. If it decays, then there must be away to accelerate that decay. The ships are affected by energy, so if mines are used to take them out.
I was just thinking about the story today, and I thought of the modification they made to the interfaces. How some people might not like having to give up some storage. While it would reduce the active memory like RAM, if they just need space to store files and carry them around with them, then I'm surprised they haven't thought of external storage. I mean if the interfaces can link up and transfer files to tablets and such, why not design a device that could be worn, that looked like a bracelet, watch, ring, etc. That was simply a storage device that could be wirelessly linked to the interfaces and used as storage, an external hard drive if you will. I suppose you could also fit some other peripherals in it as well depending on it's size. I mean not /everything/ has to be built directly into it right? Unless the wireless connectivity can only connect to one device at a time or something and it would interfere with controlling other devices. I mean one example would be they could put a camera in the bracelet and use it together with the interface as a video phone. I mean while it is really nice to have everything wrapped up in one little device, there's a limit to how much you can fit into it, so why not have a second device to expand it's capabilities? There would need to be some sort of security measures on the external storage if it could be wirelessly accessed though. I still can't imagine it being very hard to make. They could probably design and put it together in a few hours I would think.
Then again he did have a point about storing useless stuff on the interfaces.
Chap 3 of subjugation , during jason and jyslins first date , i came across the following: "Given that she was such a strong telepath, that made her high on the list for the Marines. They engaged in ship to ship combat, and those close quarters gave the telepathic Faey a major advantage. They were also usually the first armed force to hit the ground, just like the American Marines had been. First in, last out, that was their motto. They needed powerful telepaths who could find and try to mentally dominate the initial opposition, opposition who probably had anti-telepathy measures in place to try to dampen that advantage if they were expecting the Faey.
Of course, she wouldn’t tell him what those measures were, and since he’d never found anything like that on CivNet—and he’d looked—it was something he was best off simply dropping."
Have we ever come across any of these, deployed by the various races?
I vaguely remember various nations having some of their own telepaths , but other than that not much.I know there's a thread on a similar subject somewhere , but i don't think we have actually have defined what these counter measures are.
Controlling what the Karinnes and Kimdori think about every waking second for two years would be a victory!