THE COMING WAR

[SYED]

Jason is not in that bad a position, he is in a place they cant touch, he has full access to communicatios, knows the location of the bases, has the tech few dream of, two empires backing, his cloak and his allies stealth to help, the best spies ever, and his enemy has a fatal weaknes, gravity, he has mines which could be turned into missiles, possibly a kind of enenegy weapon, he dosent need to blow all the ships just take out the crew inside, eventuall they will catch on but long enough to ambush ships to capture them

[furry_wolf2001b]

Yeah, and the opposition is split in its attention, plus add in the reaction lag times that comes whit the distances involved.
Now can he actually WIN in the long run, or dose he want the others to lose to their opponents.
We have not seen that side yet, heck that may be a whole another book, like "omg the winners are as big a threat as the ones we just out survived"..
Heh, i have not read that spoiler thread, so hope i dont just repeat what other already have said. >_<

[dellstart]

Yeah, and the opposition is split in its attention, plus add in the reaction lag times that comes whit the distances involved.
Now can he actually WIN in the long run, or dose he want the others to lose to their opponents.
We have not seen that side yet, heck that may be a whole another book, like "omg the winners are as big a threat as the ones we just out survived"..
Heh, i have not read that spoiler thread, so hope i dont just repeat what other already have said. >_<

Jason is set up pretty sweetly , but don't count out fel doing something evil to upset the apple cart.

[boballab]

I see the two biggest weaknesses the Consortium has is:

1. A very long supply chain. If Jason and his Allies can stop the Consortium from using nearby planets and asteroid belts, that will limit greatly what the Consortium can do. The Consortium was relying on One Big Punch to take the Imperium and the Karrines out which from there they would have access to raw materials and food. Now with the Interdictors it went from a war of manuever, which gave the advantage to the Consortium and its greater ship numbers, to a Siege. This gives the advantage to the Imperium and the Karrines since they have a secure base with food and raw materials to sit behind and repair and refit after each mission against the Consortium. The Consortium is to far away from reinforcements and no secure rear area to repair and refit.

2. That Brodcast Plama of theirs. Anything that is Brodcasted can also be jammed. They power their ships that way, imagine if Jason and Myleena come up with a jammer that can fit into a fighter. Fly that fighter near a Consortium ship and it is dead in space with no power for weapons to defend itself. As shown at the battle at Karis the Consortium has no fighters that we have seen so far and don't have anything to counter them. A single Karrine Task force could jump in, launch fighters and watch them disrupt the enemy powers systems and from there the task force can destroy or capture those ships.

[SYED]

stealth asteroids- projectiles with cloak, explosives and thrusters, launched far away at the stations, speed near light, mass could even shatter their bases, but other filed with tricks to trap the space, all with out them seeing

[sivak]

asteriods launched at relativistic speeds wouldn't need to cloaked, mainly because it would be difficult to spot such objects and orders of magitude more diffulct to acually cahnge thier course. destroy them and you just when't from a single massive danger to thousands of tiny ones. at those speeds it would be like comparing a single blast of about 1,000,000 kilotons of TNT to several thousand blast of 10,000 KTs. the single blast would destroy a great deal of the bases but parts would survive and be usable. many blasts would completely destroy any base of any size because the overlapping expolsions, if not vaporizing the base, would fragment it to unusable sizes.

seeing as how an asteriod of around 5 miles in diameter could totally destroy our planet, i don't think the Consortium bases, which aren't nearly as dense, could possibly be of any use even if they survive.

[furry_wolf2001b]

I don't think it will be all that easy.
Those projectiles would probably need some type of shielding as well as stealth.
As traveling at those speeds makes even space dust higly abrative and when met puts out detectable radiation most probably.

I hear allot of times shattering a cumming projectiles makes more problems for the reciver.
witch i think is a bunch of bogus reasoning.
A part of the projectile is most probably converted into energy, then are the energy speed loss, wile not great perhaps is still there.
Then are the issue of the fragments, they are not heading in a nice straight line, but a expanding cone, witch probably mean at least some of the shrapnel will miss witch further degrades the effect.
Then we have the added factors of pretty damned good armor, and shields of various kinds and function.
On top of all that, the stations are freaking huge, and no doubt made to soak up and be somewhat resistant to damage, and from effects from combat and damages.

Now all that means really it takes more hits and ammo and shots to take one out, or render it inoperable.
witch takes longer and with more risks involved, but it is doable, just not easy.

Hmm, wonder is a station that large could move around a bit when in orbit, if so a somewhat randomized orbit around something that could serve as a bit of cover, like a planet or so, for those high speed long range shots.
Don't need to move much, and duck and cover is no sure hing at all, but still, the flight time, and speed of the round probably wont make it such an agile seeker missile.
The counter to that is naturally having multiple attack points/ships from way different attack angles.
Still, a station able to move somewhat would improve the odds a bit, particularly concerning incoming shrapnel.
Space is after all freaking HUGE and it would take allot to actually fill it.

[furry_wolf2001b]

Oh and for detection ans such, keep in mind they have ftl communication, hyperspace thingies, so wont be that hard making at least basic scanning satellites.
And once spotted, that word will travel far faster then the missile who must still travel the distance itself.
Now do the target have enough time to do anything about it, and successfully at that, perhaps not, probably not the first times(battles) the weapon is used, but it is hardly unbeatable in the longer run.

[SYED]

big issue is leaving areas by ship, but that is solved with secret jumping out, just have a gate that is close to free space so stuff can go into systems

[ampws]

Hi,
Haven't posted in a while but I think that the Consortium has a few tricks up its sleeves still.

Fel implied that they are desperately trying to hide some secret.

Possibly the fact that they kidnapped members of the house Karrine when they were first in the galaxy a thousand years ago. Karrines have an almost instinctive bent for technology if they had a bunch of culturally brainwashed karrine fey who had no idea of their heritage they would be desperate to hide knowledge of their heritage from them. The Consortium is an empire that spans three galaxies and is at war. The last thing they would want is a home revolution.

This also explains the 'spies' the consortium has, after all insect and energy beings are hard to hide. Brainwashed fey not so hard.

The energy beings who seem to be the top dogs in the consortium must have as unseen tricks up there sleeves as well. How do they interact with solid matter? Can they project their energy to manipulate matter? Forcefields energy beams etc. If they had no means then they would not have become the rulers of an empire.

Or maybe they were once solid matter and learnt to turn into energy beings, possibly for power.

Can the energy beings project themselves through hyperspace using the communications array on the consortium ships?

I do not think that the long supply chain effect will be as great as hoped for either.
With enough raw materials at hand from our galaxy they could become self sustaining.
In one of my previous posts I suggested a means of daisy chaining stargates between Andromeda and our galaxy.

AMPWS

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[ampws]

Just have the missile asteroids coated with Jason's cloaking shield emitters

[dellstart]

Hi,
Haven't posted in a while but I think that the Consortium has a few tricks up its sleeves still.

Fel implied that they are desperately trying to hide some secret.

Possibly the fact that they kidnapped members of the house Karrine when they were first in the galaxy a thousand years ago. Karrines have an almost instinctive bent for technology if they had a bunch of culturally brainwashed karrine fey who had no idea of their heritage they would be desperate to hide knowledge of their heritage from them. The Consortium is an empire that spans three galaxies and is at war. The last thing they would want is a home revolution.

This also explains the 'spies' the consortium has, after all insect and energy beings are hard to hide. Brainwashed fey not so hard.

The energy beings who seem to be the top dogs in the consortium must have as unseen tricks up there sleeves as well. How do they interact with solid matter? Can they project their energy to manipulate matter? Forcefields energy beams etc. If they had no means then they would not have become the rulers of an empire.

Or maybe they were once solid matter and learnt to turn into energy beings, possibly for power.

Can the energy beings project themselves through hyperspace using the communications array on the consortium ships?

I do not think that the long supply chain effect will be as great as hoped for either.
With enough raw materials at hand from our galaxy they could become self sustaining.
In one of my previous posts I suggested a means of daisy chaining stargates between Andromeda and our galaxy.

AMPWS

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My computer is powered by the kinetic energy of coins falling out of my bank account.

Thats a real possibility and a possible ace up their sleave as well

[SYED]

the bases would have supplies and repair facilities, the insect might be mass produced, but unlikly full fleet construction available, they eventually not immeadiatly need raw materials, apart from ships, bases and invasion gear, ti all they got, their plan now with the fleet was take karis and imperial space, now they cant even attack,

[michaelsuave]

The main problem seems to be the superior numbers of the consortium, they own a freaking galaxy, whereas Jason only has two allied empires of one galaxy out of numorous empires to back him up. It is definitely not a sure thing, we have seen in other historical wars how shere supply of industrial might and numbers can overwhelm even a short supply chain. e.g. the united states and their industrial power and numbers in world war one and two, and russia in world war two throwing insane numbers of troops at the germans. But I think Jason will do ok, he is used to fighting a guerrilla war against superior numbers and might, he is just doing it on a larger scale.

[boballab]

The main problem seems to be the superior numbers of the consortium, they own a freaking galaxy, whereas Jason only has two allied empires of one galaxy out of numorous empires to back him up. It is definitely not a sure thing, we have seen in other historical wars how shere supply of industrial might and numbers can overwhelm even a short supply chain. e.g. the united states and their industrial power and numbers in world war one and two, and russia in world war two throwing insane numbers of troops at the germans. But I think Jason will do ok, he is used to fighting a guerrilla war against superior numbers and might, he is just doing it on a larger scale.

Actually the Consortium has more then the Andromeda Galaxy to call on, however we already know that the Consortium is also fighting someone else in one of those other galaxies. The Consortium would be better represented as Nazi Germany in 1943, fighting a two front war with a great power (the US) basically safe from any attack by the ocean. Also there is a vast difference between only taking a week to ship something from the US to England and taking 3 to 5 years to ship something from the Andromeda Galaxy to the Milkyway. There is mulitple factors involved atm. First we don't know how well the Consortium is doing against it's other opponent. If they are stymied there or losing there that will reduce the amount of support they can send against Jason. Also look at it this way: until they can find away around the interdictors they could have a million ships in the Milkyway and it wouldn't do them any good. It would be a waste of resources that could be used against their other foe.