Darn, wouldn't you know, ANOTHER non-sword chapter

[Greymist]

Just a comment, all that he thinks he can achieve is changing from Faey rule to human, they have the new tech no it's not as if they're not going to use it, they'll still be exporting food to the imperium so there will be work available on the farms, they may even hire Faey teachers for their schools

[Lochar]

Edit: Also Under the Faey, Every "terrian" is treated the "same" more or less, it's not based on Color/gender only on Financial status and apptitude...

Scary thing is, it's a form of communism, and for all purposes, the damned thing works, minus the financial status people getting out of the system.  Then again, if people could rebel, they would.  Maybe other races, but the human race does not like to work towards the betterment of a group, but themselves.  Human rule would put it right into communist Russia probably.

[Hearly]

Scary thing is, it's a form of communism, and for all purposes, the damned thing works, minus the financial status people getting out of the system.  Then again, if people could rebel, they would.  Maybe other races, but the human race does not like to work towards the betterment of a group, but themselves.  Human rule would put it right into communist Russia probably.

heh, thats why I brought it up Lochar, I mean yes as American's we would want to remove the Faey's (maybe not all americans..) but figure we are not the majority of the world, how would they feel..

[TFF]

Scary thing is, it's a form of communism, and for all purposes, the damned thing works, minus the financial status people getting out of the system. Then again, if people could rebel, they would. Maybe other races, but the human race does not like to work towards the betterment of a group, but themselves. Human rule would put it right into communist Russia probably.

It might be helpful for some of you to try to think outside your Western mindset. Not every culture is as obsessed with individuality and self-determination as America and much of Europe is.

Perhaps Fel could clear this up. Do people who work on a Farm get paid? If they do, the system is more of a corrupt meritocracy. With nobles and the wealthy finding ways to "cut in line" in front of more deserving commoners.

[Fel]

lol, ok, Faey government and sociology 101.

Faey society is feudal by nature.  It is ruled by an Empress (or Emperor, this CAN happen), who has absolute control of absolutely everything...in theory.  In actuality, the Empress delegates powers and responsibility to the 37 noble houses, who are the ones who actually run the day to day operations of most of Faey society.  A noble house is responsible for the production, upkeep, and maintenance of territory under its control, but a noble house also must produce certain levels of certain goods, dependent on the production ability of the territory under the house's control, called a quota.  The quota represents Imperial control of the territory owned by the noble house, something of a tax for the privilege of owning it.  These noble houses answer to the Imperial government as to what needs to be produced and where it has to go.  This type of commerce is done without payment or money; it is Imperial property being moved about for Imperial use...which, after all, the Empress owns.

Noble houses also produce outside of Imperial quotas, or in excess of the quotas.  This type of production is the property of the house, which is used for commerce for profit.  Noble houses buy, sell, and trade these excesses with one another, and with agents and forces outside the Imperium (the Faey belong to a "galactic community").  So long as the noble house meets its quota, they are allowed to do just about anything they want with the excess.  If they fail to meet the quota, they are penalized.  Excessive or repeated failure to meet quota results in a penalty, which can be anything from a cash fine to loss of territory.

How things work within a noble territory depends on the noble house.  Each house has its own system and methods of doing things.   Generally speaking, so long as the noble house meets quota, the Imperium ignores what goes on within a noble house's territory...unless the house is breaking Imperial law.

Imperial law is rather sparse, for most power is actually centralized in the noble houses.  There are two levels of law:  Noble Law and Common Law.  Nobles have a different set of laws than commoners, and laws dealing with the interaction between nobles and commoners are dealt with in Noble Law.  Imperial law isn't very detailed, just a general framework of laws designed to keep the Imperium running smoothly.  But included within Imperial Law are the Five Proclamations.  These state:

1:  that all citizens of the Imperium are subject to Imperial decree;

2:  that no citizen may be called upon to work without pay or redress, except by Imperial decree;

3:  that no citizen can be denied right to Imperial appeal upon conviction of crimes by a non-Imperial court, if they feel that conviction was unfair.

4:  that nobles are afforded the right to be subject to the plaits of Noble Law;

5:  and that no noble may be convicted by any court sat upon by any noble of lower rank than herself.

Imperial law does hold within it laws that basicly state that slavery is illegal, that a citizen cannot be removed from Imperial employment by a noble house, and that all members of Imperial government, be them commoner or noble, are exempt from all laws except Imperial law.  Also in Imperial law is the mandatory 5 year conscription of all Faey women and most Faey men, except those who are married.  Non-Faey races in the Imperium are NOT subject to conscription.  In fact, they're forbidden by law from serving in the military.

The Imperium is generally broken up into two major governmental divisions, and two sociological divisions.  Governmentally, there is the Imperium and the nobility.  Imperial government supersedes noble government.  The sociological divisions are between the nobility and the commoner.

Each noble house is, in its own way, its own "nation."  Noble houses have their own economies, their own militaries, and their own customs and ways of doing things.  The Imperium does constantly keep an eye on what the individual houses are doing (which is why the Marines are on Earth) and ensure they're obeying Imperial law.  Uprisings by noble houses against the throne aren't uncommon in Faey history, and neither is inter-house warfare.  The history of the Faey shows that they're more a danger to themselves than others are to them.

The reason for this is twofold.  Firstly, and obviously, telepathy.  The second reason is because the Faey are usually on the vanguard when it comes to military technology.  They have some of the strongest armor and most powerful weapons in the civilized galaxy, and their mastery of space-manipulation technologies gives them stargates and powerful engines for their ships.

On a galactic scale, the Faey Imperium isn't massive or dominating, though it's given tremendous respect and given a wide berth.  It's actually a medium-sized empire located on one side of the known galaxy, along the frontier of uncharted space.  This location is favorable to the Faey, who can expand into unclaimed territory, unlike many "locked" civilizations who have no room for expansion except at the suffrance of another civilization.  The Faey are exploiting this advantage by a program of aggressive exploration and expansion rather than by warfare on other civilizations...though this policy has already gotten them into one war already over a very rich star system that both sides claim ownership over.

In the Faey society of the common man, EVERYONE has a job.  Period.  There is no such thing as welfare or unemployment.  If you don't have a job, you become the responsibility of your local noble...in effect, you become employed BY your local noble.  That noble no doubt has any number of jobs that you can perform.  You're paid for your work, but you're doing what others tell you to do, so it's probably not very pleasant.  You're paid for this work, though it's a wage that the noble feels suitable for the work.

There are some who don't work officially, but they're considered outlaws, and most are.  They're the dark underside of Faey society.

You can get another job, and that's generally done just like "normal old us."  You go out and find an opening, and try for the job.

A commoner can buy his way out of working and out of the restrictions of being a commoner by buying a noble title from their noble house, or from the Imperium itself.  These ex-commoners are called Margravines or Margraves, landless nobles with only a title, who got rich enough to buy themselves out of being a commoner.

On the noble side of things, you already have a job...you're a noble.  You work in your house (mostly) advancing the house in wealth, power, and prestige.  Nobles work for the house, but many work for themselves.  Nobles don't HAVE to work, if they have the money, but most are expected to do so by their familes.

You can't really call Faey society a communist one, because the theory of a communist state is that the people own everything and delegate resources through a central government.  In this system, the Empress owns everything, and grants others the use of her resources, but where a person or group's personal wealth greatly influences how things are done within that system.  The closest you're going to get is to call it a feudal plutocracy system, or a plutocratic monarchy.

[furry_wolf2001b]

Ah, but people like that are going to be sent to the farms. The children will be tested, and if they have high enough aptitudes, will be sent to the schools. Parents would probably fight that tooth and nail.

Sorry to quote this old thing...
But i gota ask why wuld they fight it?
Rice paddy cofe plantation or at most a factory or somthing simelar job is what most wuld hope to expect in real life.
Under the fay (as stated) they -might- have a hell of a better freer healthier(i asume) and productive life than most culd have dreamd of before the fay.

Figting to keep their children from scools? O_o
Scools is a way to get better and better payd jobs so why wuld they fight it?

If they are religeus freaks they just have to have sunday scools or night scools if they want and teach then...

Think of it, no sicness no satarvation, no persecution, no wars, not so much buochrasy(sorry fore spelling) and taxes, no freaking trade embargoes and suports that cuts out the local market.
Hell not ewen much "regular" crime ewen.
And no freakin poleticians or board members ruening countrys and companys...

Ok the rich might suffer a bit(and the higer middle class), but the awrage joe of earth will prosper.

But then again we dont know exactly hwhat goes on at the farms or what their lifes are like.

But i guess fel will make it so they(the farms or elfs) go against the american ideal, or somthing, so a sort of rebelion is justifyd...

(like bush)

[Shadowhawk]

You can't really call Faey society a communist one, because the theory of a communist state is that the people own everything and delegate resources through a central government.

Well, thats theory. I don't think it works besides small groups of people, with common believed ideology joining them. The result is that in communism people own nothing (or nearly nothing), everything (or almost everything) is common propery... so there is noone to take care of it. The central government distributes resources, and it does it badly to very badly. Even if not the egoism, greed of power and lack of skill of government, the fact is that economy is too complicated thing to be centrally managed. Free market with some restrictions and regulations works best...

We, in Poland, lived thru applied communism (it was called socialism). It was not pretty...

[Griever]

>We, in Poland, lived thru applied communism (it was
>called socialism). It was not pretty...

Neither is what's been happening for most of the time since we switched over to the 'mockracy'. Now, since I was born around 1983 I remember comperatively little of socialist Poland, but from what I can see going on now ... hell, going on for the past few years really (5-10), a frightening number of my countrymen have the self preservation instincts akin to a horde of suicidal lemmings, or rabid gebrils. The current political and social situation revolves around everybody trying to outsteal and screw over everybody else, whilst ousting the few honest people from office just because they didn't feel like taking part in this grand pissing contest. And most people who _can_ do something about this are too concerned with image, standing, and ignoring whatever they feel doesn't concern them.

I'm not particularly patriotic, but I do love my country since it _was_ where I grew up and all. It doesn't mean I _like_ it much, or rather, what's going on at the moment.