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How to kill a demon? (slight spoiler)

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How to kill a demon in Tarrin Kael Chronicle's world? Or, to be more exact, how to get rid of certain Marlith general demoness (namely ShazBaket) which keeps reappearing [insert appropriate idom here: my english is not that good]

We know that only something not native to the world (something otherwordly) or divine can harm a demon. On Sennadar this means weapon made from material which origin is from other world, and is not native to the world, like Ironwood, adamantium or the black no-name material Tarrin's sword (and his Cat's Claws after transmutation) are made of; Arcane energy used by Wizards (or stolen from the Weave by the Sorcerers like in the battle of Suld); priest spell of Banishment and God icon or demigod itself (Tarrin's wings). Druids of great (Hierarch's) power can also harm demons by requesting the All to do something otherwordly. On Pyrosia this also means Sorcery, as it is alien (and energy is alien) to this world. I wonder whether Elemental magic on Sennadar (if it would be possible to use it there) would be dangerous to demons: on one hand Elemental magic is alien to Sennadar, on the other hand the four elements (the energy) are not. The bodies of demons have also to obey the rules of physics, so physical force can do them harm too. But one must remember about demon's innate antimagic...

Still ShazBaket was Banished by Tarrin during the battle of Suld and returned back on Val summoning. Do banishment prevent permanently the demon it was used against to enter the world it was cast on, or it only sends demon back to "Hell"? (And one have to rely on the fact that demons cannot pop "uninvited" to the world; they can only enter via gate/portal or be summoned). Was it important that it was God (Val) who summoned X again to Sennadar? I have the feeling that ShazBaket hinted during talk with Tarrin on Pyrosia that she cannot enter Sennadar ("Sword of Fire", Chapter 6), but I might be reading to much to this conversation. It might be that there are noone to summon her to Sennadar; it might be something more.

The body of ShazBaket was crushed under stone slab during the fighr with Val in the "Weavespinner". Whether it killed her body or just trapped her I don't know. Are demons killed using otherworldy weapon or magic destroyed permamently or just go back to "Hell"? It seems that at least half-demons (like Shiika cambisi) when killed, they are killed. Are demons which body was destroyed or maimed by physical force destroyed permamently or just go back to "Hell"? The case of ShazBaket hints that it is the latter.

So maybe imprison her using some variation of Wizards spell used to "convince" ;) demons to do what magican requires when summoning? Or better strip her of her powers and maybe some of her intellect and send her back to "Hell", additionally making some barrier (or changing her name) so she cannot be summoned and have to stay there? Any ideas? Tarrin has promised (or rather threatened) to crush her soul... I wonder if he can do just that...

I hope that Tarrin did not forget that ShazBaket lives and is after him... and he has no access to his divine powers... It is not safe.
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Don't forget Dragons can kill them without the use of "other world" materials...
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hearly wrote:Don't forget Dragons can kill them without the use of "other world" materials...
I didn't remember that. Thanks for reminding (quotes, any?). [bow]
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of corse some of us belive Dragons may be of  un-worldly orgins also.
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It has been stated that dragons are creatures of sennadar, their very life essence is bound to it and they'd die if they left, I think this indicates that they're not otherworldly ;)

Possible spoilers I guess here is the answer to ye olde questions Shadowhawk.

I'm fairly sure I've gone over the thing about how if a demon's body is destroyed it has to spend 100 years remaking it so it can go to other worlds (what demons do really is use something like an icon in another world)

Banishing is lame and weak, okay fine only strong priests can do it but all it does it send them back to hell intact ready to be summoned again, If you really want to stop a demon coming back any time soon destroy it's body, be it with otherworldly magic, otherworldly big f**k off swords or physics (note Shaz'Baket didn't get crushed dead she escaped, she has her ways and means).

The ways to completely kill a demon are: go to the abyss and kill them there and they will be dead dead, but good luck doing that as they can all express more power there OR if you're a god (hint hint....) flood the link to their soul with divine power. Remember how during one of the fights with Jegojah when Tarrin used sorcery on him he saw a wispy link, it went off to Jegojah's soul and Tarrin could have actually destroyed him once and for all by flooding that link with his power (Fel wanted to keep Jegojah around though as we now know why), the same thing can be done with demons but it requires power many times that in magnitude (only a god could do it)

Erm,  I think that's everything.
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Thanks for the answer, Greymist. So I guess Tarrin can crush Shaz'Baket soul... but will he be able to do it on Pyrosia (less power, no High Sorcery), and before he has access to his divine powers?

As for going to the abyss to kill a demon... I guess asking Deva for help is out of the question?
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but will he be able to do it on Pyrosia (less power, no High Sorcery), and before he has access to his divine powers?
The comment about him using Sorcery was just an example of him seeing a link to a soul, you wouldn't use sorcery to do it I don't expect. He wont do anything while he isn't recovered anyway, btw didn't you notice "OR if you're a god (hint hint....)" yeah I wont say anymore ;)
As for going to the abyss to kill a demon... I guess asking Deva for help is out of the question?
Yeah ah...Deva's are powerful but not that powerful, you're talking about going to the realm of evil where balors can express their true power - that similar to gods - and everyone there would be attacking you, I don't think so. ;)
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Shouldn't this be in the FAQ section?
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j-man5 wrote:Shouldn't this be in the FAQ section?
Maybe. But this question is not specific to 'Firestaff Series' neither 'Pyrosian Chronicles' only. So I didn't know in which section to put it. So I asked it here.
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I do know that I was just making a kinda joke .Dragonsin most stories are so dofferent and exotic in any story that I some time feel that their from a different place .Beside Dragons could be from a different Place after all we only know what people tell us,and it wouldn`t be the first time a race or people tell lies about where their from. and Fel could be keeping it a sercet untill he`s ready,( I don`t realy belive he will and that dragons are native to Sennadar)  
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rick wrote:I don`t realy belive he will and that dragons are native to Sennadar
That could be why in the Blood War, the Dragons didn't want to get involved in the little people's war at first.
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